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Apple iPod killing Sony on its own turf; 6 of top 8 music players in Japan are iPod models
Thursday, August 19, 2004 - 07:51 AM EDT

"When Sony Corp. President Kunitake Ando showed off the new Walkman meant to counter the assault by Apple's iPod portable music player, he held the prized gadget at the gala event upside down," Yuri Kageyama reports for The Associated Press. "That may have been a bad omen."

"The iPod is proving a colossal hit on the Japanese electronics and entertainment giant's own turf. The tiny white machine is catching on as a fashion statement and turning into a cultural icon in Japan, much the same way it won a fanatic following in the United States, Kageyama reports. "Although Apple doesn't release regional sales figures, six of the top eight selling music players in Japan are iPod models, according to Gfk Japan, a market research company."

"Its white earbuds are so well-known, just wearing them on Tokyo streets can make passers-by smile approvingly. iPod chat pervades Internet bulletin boards. The mini is such a hit it's being offered as prizes in lotteries sponsored by drink and candy companies here," Kageyama reports.

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Aug 19, 04 - 09:09 am Comment from: giofoto

Fools! (Sony)

Aug 19, 04 - 09:21 am Comment from: mike

thurrott doesn't believe a word of it. I'm serious. He's never wrong.

Aug 19, 04 - 09:28 am Comment from: Sputnik

So what? Windows rules in Nippon and will forever. When Longhorn hits the markets, goodby iTMS!

Aug 19, 04 - 09:38 am Comment from: Paul Thurrott

The iPod Mini is a complete flop. In fact, it's never been in production, the whole thing is a smoke screen designed to try to fool people into believing Apple are back in the black. They are infact about to go bust. I am right, always right and never wrong. If you think I'm wrong, you're wrong. I'm right.

Aug 19, 04 - 09:44 am Comment from: hagar57

Sputnik: "When Longhorn hits the markets, goodby iTMS!"
So, no worries. Mp3 music will be passè anyway in that distant future.

Aug 19, 04 - 10:29 am Comment from: twelveightyone

Music won't even exist as we know it by the time Longhorn comes out Sputters.

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Aug 19, 04 - 10:39 am Comment from: August

Who gives a ratio as "6 out of 8"? They use a base 8 system in Japan?

Aug 19, 04 - 10:42 am Comment from: August

Nevermind --- just reread title.

Aug 19, 04 - 10:55 am Comment from: rogozhin

"They use a base 8 system in Japan?"

Yeah, that's why the Asian kids are so much better at math than Americans... and also why my '160 GB' hard drive has a real world capacity of around 149.5 GB...

Like the talking Barbie doll used to say, "Math is HARD!!"

Aug 19, 04 - 11:03 am Comment from: Tera P

Come on guys, they use the same numbering system in Japan as everwhere else. Except the Martian Colonies or Rigel 4.

Sony missed the boat. Apple did the combinatio of iTunes, iPod, iTMS just right. It's working well and people are voting with their pocketbooks.

Look at this. Sony gets ripped.

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/shootout_new_ipod_vs_sony_walkman/

Look at this. What's the most popular iLife app?

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/double_poll_most_popular_ilife_application_most_popular_browser/

To compete, Sony and others need to offer better for less. That's difficult to do, eh?

Aug 19, 04 - 11:07 am Comment from: DudeMac

So what? Windows rules in Nippon and will forever. When Longhorn hits the markets, goodby iTMS!

Sputternik, no I mean Spitternuk, no I mean Spitnuk, no I mean Sputnik strikes again hee haw!

Aug 19, 04 - 11:49 am Comment from: sam

Sputnick you talk out your arse. Bend over so we can lip read.

Aug 19, 04 - 12:22 pm Comment from: Bender

Bite my shiney metal ass!!!!

Aug 19, 04 - 12:23 pm Comment from: Sputnik

Hey guys,

Just cause I am a huge idiot a$$hole and a total Microsoft zealot fanboy and I STILL think that ITMS sucks even though it is a hit EVERYWHERE, doesn't mean that I don't have a valid point.

Oh wait, I don't. I am an a$$holoe.

Aug 19, 04 - 12:56 pm Comment from: pkradd

Mac360 is not a objective site when it comes to Apple products. The digital Walkman has been given bad reviews by the WSJ and other magazines.... and they actually were able to compare the two players and use them. Mac360 did not have a player to review.. they just listed the specs as provided to them by Sony and Apple. A bad and unreliable Mac site is just as bad as a poor Windows site such as the one Thrurott runs.

Aug 19, 04 - 01:36 pm Comment from: beg

And Sputnik knows what about Japan exactly? Other than he probably had to look up "Nippon" to look cool?

Aug 19, 04 - 01:40 pm Comment from: gillon

god your a loser sputnik. don't you have anything better to do?

Aug 19, 04 - 01:44 pm Comment from: Boeing777

APPLE'S FAULTY PB15" BATTERY

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3581024.stm

Aug 19, 04 - 01:46 pm Comment from: Judge Judy

The key word is SONY. Sony made the first PowerBooks over a decade ago. Now Sony is about to make Apple's first wireless tablet Mac video pod.

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/apples_wireless_tablet_mac_surprise_its_a_sony

If those photos are real, I want one! NOW!

Aug 19, 04 - 02:27 pm Comment from: pkradd

Judge Judy,
That website comes to so many wrong conclusions. Just because Sony is "making" (actually showing vaporware at the moment) a tablet device doesn't mean they're making one for Apple. Of course they aren't. Apple has their laptop products made for them by Quanta in Taiwan. The recent patent filings are just that, patent filings. No patent has been granted and filing a design patent doesn't mean a product is eminent. Those photos are of a rather large (thick) Sony product. Sony did not make the first Powerbooks. They contributed some components. The article gives no proof of that. Just because they say it doesn't make it so.

Aug 19, 04 - 02:56 pm Comment from: Judge Judy

Funny pkradd, you seem to have a vendetta against that site. I couldn't find one wrong conclusion anywhere in the article.

If you'd Google "Sony Airboard" you'd see that it is not vaporware, and is a product being sold in Japan. Your knowledge of Macs is weak. The first PowerBook, the 100, was made by Sony.

Keep to facts. Stop blasting other sites because you don't agree with what they say.

Believe it or not, other people may know something you don't.

Aug 19, 04 - 03:02 pm Comment from: NewType


pkradd makes some excellent points.

I, for one, think the article is way off base. The tablet device looks atrocious - I don't think Steve would ever approve of a design like that. Too many buttons and random pieces sticking out of the case. It's very anti-Apple minimalism in terms of the design. Don't mistake "new" for "sexy."

Jobs has derided TabletPCs in the past and I don't think technology has gotten to the point where a person like Steve Jobs could launch a truly successful tablet. For that to happen, a tablet would have to be less than 1 cm thick, with a battery life of 6 hours, and weigh only about a pound or so. The technology is simply not there to create such a device today at an affordable price.

So to add on pkradd's comment, just wishful thinking doesn't make it so (as "headless iMac" boosters have trouble realizing)

Aug 19, 04 - 03:08 pm Comment from: NewType


"When Sony Corp. President Kunitake Ando showed off the new Walkman meant to counter the assault by Apple's iPod portable music player, he held the prized gadget at the gala event upside down," Yuri Kageyama reports for The Associated Press. "That may have been a bad omen."

The new Net Walkman is Sony's version of the ill-fated hockey puck mouse. tongue laugh

Aug 19, 04 - 03:09 pm Comment from: pkradd

I don't have a "vendetta" against the site. It just makes conclusions based on misinformation or in the case of a review of the Sony digital Walkman, it didn't even have one to compare to the iPod - heck they didn't have a 4 G iPod. A shoot out without bullets is misleading. It's vaporware for the U.S. as many Sony products never get out of Japan. Because I wasn't sure Sony made the Powermac 100 doesn't make my knowledge of Apple weak. I asked for proof of their statement. You claim you have. So that's that. Anyway, Apple would never put out anything as bulky or bad as that. The current Sony Walkman is an example of how Sony doesn't know how to make a user interface. Reviews have called the Walkman a poor example of that. I know other people know things that I don't. Same for you!

Aug 19, 04 - 03:12 pm Comment from: Milly Vanilly

NewType, what excellent points? I've read this site for years and all pkradd does is deride and chide everyone else; particularly other sites. I read the article and found it interesting and informative, if not entertaining.

What are the excellent points? The article didn't say Sony was building the product, Judge Judy said that.

I agree, the Airboard looks horrible, compared to Apple's designs. That appeared to be the point of the article; Apple and Steve wouldn't design an Airboard.

They'd design something better. Which is what the article implied.

Cut the Airboard in half in every dimension, give it Mac OSX, handwriting, and wireless, and I'm a buyer.

Oh, one more thing. Those same folks you like to blast and put down? They wrote this...

http://www.mac360.com/index.php/mac360/more/apples_jobs_reals_glaser_meet_debate_fight_at_macarthur_park/

Funny stuff.

Now go back home and make marks on the cave wall with a rock.

Aug 19, 04 - 03:44 pm Comment from: GW Boooosh

pkradd, you gotta stop whining and bashing people and other sites. It sounds too much like some kind of mental problem that needs dealing with. The article about the sony airboard was a bit sensationalist, at least the title, but it was factual enough for me. You seem to be the one with a real problem these days. Get that checked out before your friends intervene, please.

Aug 19, 04 - 03:46 pm Comment from: NewType


Milly Vanilly, the article clearly suggests that Apple is making a tablet-type PC, and points to the Sony Airboard as the possible source of inspiration for the forthcoming design. pkradd basically pointed out that just because Sony has a tablet-style device doesn't mean Apple is planning one. He also made a distinction between an invention patent and a design patent - a design patent for the "Mac tablet" that the rumors sites were mongering on isn't the same thing as an invention patent for the device. Design patents rarely lead to real products, for one.

Those are excellent points, I think.

Aug 19, 04 - 03:58 pm Comment from: Boeing777

Milly Vanilly, I hope you don't believe that “crap” do you?
Will anyone believe that Jobs will ever Glaser to talk to him in public this way? - Actually, it's a little childish the way it's written and pretty immature. That's why the source is "unknown"

Aug 19, 04 - 04:53 pm Comment from: Judge Judy

I think the Jobs vs. Glaser piece is "satire", don't you think?

Aug 19, 04 - 05:09 pm Comment from: justme

IF Longhorn hits the markets

Aug 19, 04 - 05:59 pm Comment from: Bill McNeil

The Spaz told me that they've got great Chinese food places in Nippon.

Aug 19, 04 - 06:00 pm Comment from: Waylon

Malibu Stacy thinks that 'math is hard'.

Aug 19, 04 - 10:10 pm Comment from: Sean

Sony is entirely responsible for the state they are in. You'd think they'd learned from their Betamax and Memorystick experience....

Aug 20, 04 - 01:11 am Comment from: Sputnik

You're a bunch of mac morons. You pick up every bait, no matter how stupid the arguments are! How old are you kids anyway, five? Besides obscene remarks you ooze nothing worthwhile mentioning.

Aug 20, 04 - 09:39 am Comment from: treadlightly

And sputnik keeps coming back for more.

Aug 20, 04 - 09:47 am Comment from: DudeMac

Sputnik is "The Little Engine That Could", which is my most favorite book since I'm 5 and all.

"I think I can, I think I can"
"I know I can, I know I can"
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