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According to Paul Thurrott, Apple completely stole Spotlight from MSFT Longhorn, and he is a computer genius.

Hey, when I first looked at this page, it said i was the blah blah blah visitor and that I won! Whassup with that?

bs. its apples anwser to longhorns winfs. the only problem is that its not as powerful - but apple is shipping first, so i guess they have time to improve it.

keefe: don't be such a mac fanboy. you don't know how stupid you guys on mdn look when you are talking about longhorn.

and yes, apple HAD to do spotlight because lh has it. and you know what, if you watch microsofts keynotes, you would know, steve is now sounding like one of the guys at ms, about this technology.

winfs, isn't an original idea. but at least ms doesn't go around telling people that its soooo revolutionary and be so nieve in there marketing. beos had it first. now tiger has it. the same tech as be. lh will be more advance tho

mac_user...

May I direct you to dictionary.com?

mac_user... the m in mdn stands for mac... it's a mac site. it's not supposed to be fair or unbiased or unstupid, and as for mdn visitors watching microsoft keynotes hahahaha! mdn is somewhere for maclovers to congratulate each other . if you want intelligent debate suggest you go somewhere a bit less wild-eyed rather than try and change anything here.

Actually, I like the technology. It works really well in iTunes. I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl when Tiger is released.

Ah whatever, it just goes to show that all of the large OS companies are going after the same thing. And frankly, I keep my shit organized, so i don't think I will benefit much from Spotlight. So I REALLY don't care if Longhorn has even more advanced search functions. And yeah, this is a MacNews site, am I expected to come here and say yeah I love Macs, but you know Longhorn is gonna do everything ten times better than Tiger will ever be able to. I think not. Ass.

Mac_user,

You don't seem to be aware that the guy who wrote the BeOS file system is an Apple employee, and his work is what we're seeing in spotlight. I found his blog yesterday.

http://www.nobius.org/~dbg/

You can even download in PDF his book on how to design file systems if you like from his web site.

I knew about him, and had even speculated with some friends that this WWDC Keynote should be showing the results of some of his work. I figured this since he's been at Apple long enough that something should be coming, and that there was going to have to be some new technology not in Pather to make Tiger worth the upgrade.

This is it, baby. In spades.

But what most analysts (the New York Times writer actually doesn't know the difference between iTunes and ITMS - no not Pogue, the woman who wrote about the keynote!) and some of the others think this is a simple search mechanism.

It's not, it goes way beyond that. The biggest disappointment people are going to face with spotlight is that if you want it to pull up all of your photos of India rickshaw races, then you're going to have to add that bit of metadata to all of your photos first. It won't read the content of your images in terms of visual information, but in the metadata you embed in those files. So spotlight is going to require a lot of work to make it be as effective as Stevearino made it look in his demo.

But I think it's awesom, and I'm going to be glad that Portfolio 7 will let me embed all my metadata in the actual phoito files! That gives me time to get the metadata ready for 5,000 photos by release time.

ok - longhorn is 3 years away. moo. tiger will ship within 9 months. spotlight is NOT new tech - iTunes/iTMS already has it - and for over a year now. so the talk about apple ripping this off from LH dose not hold water.

oh, and how can i sit through a MS keynote with monkey boy bouncing all around the stage? sweating profusely with that chrome dome. oh yeah - i am inspired, woop woop.

oh - and hey there Wunnut! i miss the sarcasm and cynicism.

Re: Spotlight vs WinFS

According to Steve Jobs (http://stream.apple.akadns.net/ , time index 00:44:00), Spotlight is fully automatic. It works 100% with current applications and files.

WinFS is an all new file system. Although it does work in a limited way with existing files, it's full power is only available for those files saved as WinFS files (with attached metafiles), and in some cases the user must supply the metadata that is to be used for future searches.

In short, WinFS is not too intelligent and the user or the programmer of the application saving the file must predict what someone will be searching for in the future and apply the needed metadata to the file. Apple's Spotlight has the intelligence to look into the file and examine its contents and attributes, and does NOT require you to be Nostradamus in order to save a file for future retrieval.

The "smart" lists that automatically update as new files are saved — Smart Playlists, Smart Albums and soon Smart Folders, Smart Groups and Smart Mailboxes — originated in iTunes. Not sure if Longhorn is doing anything similar ...

Even if Longhorn's search function is more advanced than Tiger, I doubt the overall user eXPerience will have caught up.

Say, will Longhorn/WinFS defragment on the fly like Mac OS X/HFS+?

Even IF Longhorn is released today, it would be anti-climatic as being a cheap, buggy, rip of off Apple... AGAIN! What sort of slow overweight dinosaur will it be in 2 to 3 years?

I think Spolight is gonna rock, for all the reasons mentioned above.

M$ will probably call their version 'Microsoft Direct Access Search File System' or something equally catchy.

They just don't get it, do they?

More opinion on this...

MacWorld: Apple-MS search engine battle begins
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/index.cfm?NewsID=9057

webby,
Sorry dude. I couldn't help saying something nice. Somtimes you just have to admit when something is good. I'll try not to let it happen again.

And hasn't M$ announced that they have scaled back the scope that winfs will have in lh? Wasn't that one of the things they said they weren't going to be able to fully implement in the new OS because it was too much too soon and would even further delay the release?

Personally, can't wait for Spotlight - I have way too many files and folders, despite the best intentions at organization. This is going to speed things up dramatically in terms of finding various related files. That, and Automator is gonna rock, too. Both are worth the price of the upgrade to me, and I'll get all the rest of it, too, and be a happy camper.

eric:

i don't come from an english speaking country.

yes, this is a mac site, but seriously, you guys give the mac user a really bad name. pc users think of us being all fanatics and in crazy of apple. yes, even i can sometimes be abit overboard - but some of yous have NO IDEA what longhorn is going to be... all you care about is how its delayed. let me remind you all that mac os x was suppose to come out in q3 of 1999. but that never happened did it? what mac os x was usable? jaguar - which came out in 2002. 3 YEARS LATE.

@ mac_user

Well, maybe some of us don't know what Longhorn will be. Do you? I think that not even MS does. I personally don't care much about it.