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New Jersey college student newspaper adviser ousted for using Apple Macs
Wednesday, December 14, 2005 - 09:23 AM EDT

"Despite impassioned pleas from her supporters, the Ocean County College board of trustees voted unanimously Monday not to reappoint Karen L. Bosley as faculty adviser to the student newspaper, a post she has held for 35 years. 'Are you committed to free speech and free expression on this campus?' William Kanouse, an associate professor of English supporting Bosley, asked the trustees following the vote. 'Because there seems to be an element of retaliation in this decision.' Kanouse and other teachers and students charged that Bosley's termination at the Viking News was in response to the newspaper's periodic criticism of college President Jon H. Larson and his administration's policies. The administration flatly denied the accusation," Joseph Picard reports for The Asbury Park Press. "Bosley, a tenured humanities professor, will continue to teach, although she also has been reassigned from teaching journalism courses."

Picard reports, "The teachers and their supporters, on the other hand, had plenty to say. The board waived its privacy policy regarding personnel matters at the request of the four teachers, and each addressed the board prior to its vote on their contract. Bosley rebutted the two reasons she was given for not being renewed as newspaper adviser — that the paper contains too many errors and that student staff, because they use Macintosh computers, are not being prepared for the real world."

"Bosley pointed to awards the Viking News has won from the New Jersey Press Association and the Society for Collegiate Journalists. She also quoted research showing that 75 percent of U.S. colleges use Macintoshes, and claimed that Viking News students do not lack technical expertise. She then strongly implied that neither errors nor technology were at the root of her removal. 'I hope you will not allow yourselves to become part of a pattern of punishing students for what they publish,' she said to the board," Picard reports. "'This is not a reflection on the work of the students at the newspaper, but on the supervision there,' said trustee Stephan R. Leone, as he moved the vote on Bosley's nonrenewal. Stoically and without further comment, board members voted her out."

"Elizabeth Mitchell, mother of Patrick Mitchell and a teacher at the college since 1968, was the most blistering in her comments, claiming that Larson had her son dismissed to retaliate against her. 'I'm furious. I'm indignant,' said Mitchell, an English professor and outspoken critic of Larson. 'They've harassed Karen Bosley, trying to force her to resign. Now they've taken away her position. And her only fault was her failure to make the Viking News into a house organ under Larson's control.' Mitchell said administrators were Larson's puppets and the board his rubber stamp. Bosley, who will remain as newspaper adviser until June 2006, said she is exploring possible legal action against the college. 'They have not heard the last from me on this,' she said."

Full article here.

[bold emphasis added by MacDailyNews]

MacDailyNews Take: Macintoshes dominate newsrooms around the world; appropriately so, since Apple brought desktop publishing to the world with the Mac. To not use a Mac for a student newspaper would be a fine example of not preparing your students for the real world. But, you don't teach platforms, you teach concepts. Platforms change too rapidly (recent Windows excepted). Schools should use Macs, since they're easier to maintain, virus-free, and just plain better quality hardware and software overall. Students will be as okay as they can be with whatever Mac operating system copy that Microsoft has on the market when they graduate. It'll still be a disappointing step down to learn on Macs and be stuck with Windows in a cubicle, but they'll know how to use a computer when it's working just fine. That's the point, right? The amount of ignorant people in the world, who are for some reason or another allowed to make decisions affecting others, sometimes boggles the mind.

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Dec 14, 05 - 10:50 am Comment from: hammer

What "real world"? Email? Surfing the net for porn on your lunch break. A couple of Excel spreadsheets. Word.

Sadly, this is the 'real world' they speak of. Sadly, the people making the criticism probably barely know how to do three of the tasks I listed.

Dec 14, 05 - 10:55 am Comment from: Viridian

Why is this Mac news? It seems to me that the reasons cited by the board, among others, the use of Macs by the student newspaper staff, are canards which are easily refuted. On the face of it, this appears to be an attempt by the college president, using the board as hatchetmen, to suppress criticism of his tenure. If what the dissenting faculty members say is true, and the pathetically thin excuses given for the board's actions appear to support their assertions, the lawyers are going to stomp mudholes in the president's ass.

Dec 14, 05 - 10:57 am Comment from: Ampar

Good thing they don't burn people at the stake any more. This reeks of the same blatant fear and ignorance from Salem in 1692. It's really all about power and the easy path to corruption and greed. I weep for humanity.

Dec 14, 05 - 10:58 am Comment from: Viridian

Hammer,

Just wanted to thank you for not doing the childish "First Post!" thing. I really appreciate it.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:04 am Comment from: Less is More

Reads like an article in a SimCity 2000 newspaper.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:04 am Comment from: Duh

More close minded thought at the universities. They think and say they are diverse, but they are not. They are ONLY open and free thinking in their narrow smart by a half thinking. Maybe they should live in the real world and get out of the " academia cult " "Liberalism is a mental distorter"

Dec 14, 05 - 11:09 am Comment from: Bob

This guy was president where I went to college... he screwed that place up too... they, however, used Macs until after he left.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:10 am Comment from: sharris

Yeah, that first post thing is really annoying.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:11 am Comment from: webbyswim

this is outrageous. i implore everyone here to use the above contact information the idiot our comments. forward this article to everyone you know - especially those in the media. this needs to be brought to the light of day for the whole to see.

let the flames begin on this one. i want this to be hotter than hell on this guy, and the college.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:12 am Comment from: pog

There are a lot of reasons to be mad about this story, but the stupid throw away comment about "Macs not preparing people for the real world" is not one of them. This is clearly a bullshit statement thrown out by idiot administrators as an excuse to remove this woman. Of course its ridiculous, and they know it.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:14 am Comment from: Macaday

Are some folk in the US defending Microsoft because attacking it is like attacking the US and what the US stands for?

If that IS the case, then the country has suffered more brainwashing than anything that ever took place in the USSSR...

"The real world" is a mug if it thinks it should continue with the most insecure computer operating systems ever made. The "real world" jeopardises all our future's...

Dec 14, 05 - 11:15 am Comment from: focus

"She then strongly implied that neither errors nor technology were at the root of her removal."

The board and the president obviously have issues. Karen also may have some legitimate problems. However, this issues is not about Macs. Yes, it was a lame excuse, but that's all it really was, not some conspiracy against Macs.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:16 am Comment from: Macaday

OK OK I know its USSR (or was..)!

Dec 14, 05 - 11:17 am Comment from: Dave H

Land of the free? Something is rotten in the state of New Jersey.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:18 am Comment from: MacDoctor

Oh yeah. I get this all the from some schools, parents, teachers and whatnot. But when asked to clarify their views these people stumble, saying something about Windows is a "standard" and such.
Most of them will consider a Mac when they learn more about the platform, but a few are so hard-headed, no reaching them. Some get really snotty and hateful.
Now when Apple market share grows even more, they may find themselves on the other side of the tracks.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:38 am Comment from: Macdiddy

Wow,

the last statement on ignorant people deciding for others hits the nail right on the head. Truly ignorant people run to consultants to tell them what to do and then engage the same consultants who rape and pillage and then claim they did the best they could.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:45 am Comment from: Tommy Boy

The biggest problem with New Jersey education is that every podunk town has it's own school board whereas in most states education is controlled at the county level. In larger jurisdictions petty politics play a much smaller role in decisions like this.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:48 am Comment from: RevNeal

"... student staff, because they use Macintosh computers, are not being prepared for the real world.""

This reminds me of what certain radical atheists have claimed about students who go to Christian private schools. Just because they go to chapel and take a couple of courses in Bible and Theology (in ADDITION to -- not instead of -- state-approved courses in Science, History, Civics, etc), some radical atheist-activists have stated that students who have attended Christian private schools are not qualified to function in the "real world." This charge is always amazing to me when one realizes how FAR above public schools such students consistently perform on the standardized tests and in the class rooms of higher education.

The claim that students who use Macs "are not being prepared for the real world" comes straight from a similar bigotry and lack of knowledge masquerading as intellect.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:49 am Comment from: Tommy Boy

And the second biggest problem with New Jersey education is that it's illegal to run a self-serve gas station, thus the schools must be ready to prepare you for those high-paying pump jockey jobs.

Dec 14, 05 - 11:50 am Comment from: Heroin

Duh,

Are you retarded? Clearly, this adviser was a liberal muckraker and a Mac user and was fired by the president precisely because she was both. It was people like you who got her fired with their McCarthy-like tactics.

Why don't you go burn some of those "librul" books?

Dec 14, 05 - 12:14 pm Comment from: DudeMac

Sounds like some technological discrimination going on and the US Federal Gov't needs to be nipping her in the bud!

Anyone here up for protest (at their campus)?

Dec 14, 05 - 12:22 pm Comment from: Duh

Now now, Herion I was once a liberal, very much so. I still am in some areas. But in others I really believe that Liberalism is a mental disorder. I am on both sides now. Call me what you want, You need to accept others views, not just your professors views on the world. You need to have some conservative friends to balance your views. You just can't hang out with just liberal friends and just have liberal debate with liberal "feel goodism" and think you are right.

Dec 14, 05 - 12:35 pm Comment from: Father Powers

^^ Uh, DudeMac . . . I'll be happy to nip her bud.

Dec 14, 05 - 12:39 pm Comment from: Bullsh-t

Careful, Tommy Boy (isn't that a perfume?) -- all of New England uses the town meeting/local level government system. County control of anything is WORSE, because you're giving up even more direct control over your life.

If you really think that politics plays a lesser role in county-level government you are crazy.

I'll take the local, closer-to-the-people type of government we have here in New England over what the rest of you have any day.

*And no, NJ is NOT part of N.E.

Dec 14, 05 - 12:40 pm Comment from: billysmom

why is it that the stupid people always wind up in charge?

Dec 14, 05 - 12:55 pm Comment from: Charko

Duh,

it's really sad how many people think like you in the U.S. today. It seems you and your ilk are now running that once proud country.

And here in Europe ... well we're counting the torture victims - European citizens being dragged off by the CIA and disappearing into secret interrogation centres.
Not to mention the American government's record on the environment! ...
An American friend of mine here in Berlin said that the US is the only country in the developed world where 'liberalism' is often considered a dirty word and he's ashamed of the fact.

Dec 14, 05 - 12:59 pm Comment from: Charko

The 'conservatives' are dragging America's good name through the dirt.

Dec 14, 05 - 01:02 pm Comment from: dix99

HEY, They are preparing them for the real world using PC's. When they go and work for some idiot who uses PC's, then they'll know all about the viruses, spam & other problems & they'll be ready for them....

Dec 14, 05 - 01:07 pm Comment from: duh

How? Will we drag it over your white flag? Say that in German or no, say that in Arabic.

Dec 14, 05 - 01:13 pm Comment from: Daddysteve

Macintosh computers are in nearly all newsrooms in the U.S. and are dominate in most photo and graphics departments.

Not knowing the Macintosh is a hindrance if you are in preparing for a career in the news business.

Side note - My newspaper placed their order yesterday, looking forward to using Aperture next week.

homepage.mac.com/daddysteve
http://www.presstelegramphoto.com

Dec 14, 05 - 01:22 pm Comment from: Daddysteve

Point #2
"the paper contains too many errors" is another way of saying "we own the student newspaper and they have no right to criticize us!"
Putting the trustees in charge of their watch dogs has never been a good idea. With that kind of power, they just can't be, er, trusted. (sorry)

Dec 14, 05 - 01:23 pm Comment from: William McFadden

Well, it's safe to say if they didn't run with the Mac User reason for termination, no one would've ever known about this.

Ole Larson must be ripping out his hair that this cat got out of the bag.

It must be strange, getting thousand of hate emails from Mac fanatics around the world, yet no one around him would even know.

"Hello John! Meet you for lunch at the College Club?"
"Not now, Howell, I'm a bit shook up over that chick who hates me and got her fired."
"Oh, come on -- that issue is all done now. Let's have a martini, John."

Dec 14, 05 - 01:25 pm Comment from: The Other Steve

If they are preparing for the future, shouldn't they learning on the computer of the future?

Dec 14, 05 - 01:56 pm Comment from: alan smalan

I work for my college paper and I'm proud to say we do not have a single PC in our entire media building. smile

Dec 14, 05 - 02:03 pm Comment from: duh

Charko, Nothing like hearing from an enlightened ( Ha Ha) socialistic euro liberal bashing America and preaching about their God " the environment"
Your counting the torture victims? European citizens being dragged off by the CIA and disappearing into secret interrogation centres. Yep the evil USA again. Take innocent people and in-slaving them. Thank God we are there you would be speaking Chinese or Arabic if we where not there. You guys would just wave the white flag Liberalism doesn't have to be a dirty word. I consider myself liberal in some areas but Extreme liberals here in the US and most of you over in Europe base everything on feelings and not logic. You live is some kind of Mr Rogers( goody goody feel goodism) utopia world when it is not. You need balance, you need conservatives and liberals. That's how clueless you really are. You need both viewpoints. Europe and the USA have slide farther to the left in the past 25 years. Europe especially, you guys would love to be full blown socialists if you could. If you where to listen to President Kennedy and Senator Humphrey's speeches ( both held up as liberal icons) done in a different voice, you would think they where conservatives making the speech.

Dec 14, 05 - 02:32 pm Comment from: Duh

Charko, Tell your Euro Governments to stop building and using all tthose nuclear power plants. You a going to wreck our environment over here in the US when your out of control radical Muslim community bombs one of those. See if your white flag will save you from that.

Dec 14, 05 - 02:51 pm Comment from: Ramble

"whatever Mac operating system copy that Microsoft has on the market when they graduate. It'll still be a disappointing step down to learn on Macs and be stuck with Windows in a cubicle, but they'll know how to use a computer when it's working just fine. That's the point, right? The amount of ignorant people in the world"

It's obvious that the writer is in fact one of these ignorant people, otherwise they'd know that what he/she just wrote was plain bullshit, and just not true.
Using Windows would benefit these students alot more than this foolish teacher.

Dec 14, 05 - 03:36 pm Comment from: Sal-who-ki

The Daily Egyptian at Southern Illinois University Carbondale uses Macs on their newspaper.

Dec 14, 05 - 03:54 pm Comment from: Matt

Unbelievable. Ocean County College is 5 minutes from where I am right now. My grandmother worked there for 20 years for God's sake.

Honestly, this is no surprise. That college is certainly nothing to be proud of, and President Larson has many more problems in addition to a technological ignorance such as this. What a shame!

Dec 14, 05 - 04:02 pm Comment from: meatofmoose

The real world is overrated.

Dec 14, 05 - 04:02 pm Comment from: dennis

RevNeal, you really beat the hell out of that strawman. Way to go.

Can you point me to one quote from one of these "radical atheists" (not sure what that would be) or anyone else saying that Christian school students aren't being prepared for the real world? (I have heard something like that about home schooling, but that's more about social skills than religion.)

Let's say we round up all the public school kids who could afford to go to private schools if they wanted, and whose behavior would not get them kicked out of those private schools, and test *them* against the Christian school kids. Big difference. Private schools get to choose their students. Public schools let everyone in. How many of those Christian schools have special ed? Probably none.

Dec 14, 05 - 04:56 pm Comment from: RevNeal

"Can you point me to one quote from one of these "radical atheists" (not
sure what that would be) or anyone else saying that Christian school
students aren't being prepared for the real world? (I have heard something like that about home schooling, but that's more about social skills than religion.)"

In a Nov. 20, 2005 article in the New York Times entitled: "University Is Accused of Bias Against Christian Schools", charges of discrimination are detailed against the University of California System. This is not the first example of such discrimination, nor is it likely to be the last.

"How many of those Christian schools have special ed? Probably none."

By "Special Ed" if you mean Resource and other such programs, they most CERTAINLY DO. Or ... have you never had anything to do with a Roman Catholic Parochial School?

Did I engage in a bit of hyperbole in order to make my point? Yes, I did. This is not a wide-spread problem ... yet.

MDN Magic Word: "ideas" as in ... ideas that run contrary to scientific orthodoxy are taboo subjects and any school that teaches such -- even teaches such ALONG WITH that Scientific Orthodoxy (as they must in order to be certified by the state) -- are beginning to discover that their students are finding it more and more difficult to get into Public Universities.

Dec 14, 05 - 05:24 pm Comment from: MacDude

35 years?

Sounds like a case of pecking order blues.

Dec 14, 05 - 05:37 pm Comment from: Merlyn

Protest?!? I'm up for a protest.

I'm a Lab Admin in Philly and proud to say that 102 of the 120 computers that we use to teach engineers are Macs (I'm workign on the other 18, stupid people and their "PC was better 10 years ago so it must still be better now, even though i've never actually tried a Mac."

But seriously, who's in the Jersey/East PA, southern NYC, northern DE area and up for telling these people that they've got it wrong?

Dec 14, 05 - 06:24 pm Comment from: John Ellenich

The State News (Michigan State Universities Newpaper) is run on all Macs, it's considered one of the most successful college newspapers in the world.

Hmmmm.

Dec 14, 05 - 07:57 pm Comment from: Andy

Haha. Mac fanbois, freaking out because their beloved toys are being naysayed. While you're off whining about 'innovation' and other rhetoric, I'll be using my cheaper, faster, and more powerful machine to develop, game, and generally kick ass in the computer sense.

Actually, I didn't read many of the comments, but I'll go out on a limb that the macboys are out in full force. Oh, and I'm not sure what the political arguing is about. Probably started by the fucking conservative assholes who didn't get to fire their guns into the air about this. HA! Fucking conservatives.

Dec 14, 05 - 08:16 pm Comment from: New Jersey Sucks

why are we even surprised about this decision? new jersey is the armpit of america with the only other possible worst place being its immediate neighbor new york

anyway, Macs rule and clearly we should join Merlyn in a protest

Dec 15, 05 - 03:44 am Comment from: D

For those of you who STILL don't understand that a
Mac is a PC,please leave the room and let the people who know what they are talking about discuss
the issue.

Dec 15, 05 - 03:45 pm Comment from: Wayne B

Macs Suck, OS X Sucks. Get a life.

Dec 16, 05 - 05:29 pm Comment from: Alberto D. Morales

Hi everyone! I am the News & Photography Editor for the Viking News. Our adviser is the one you are all speaking of. We appreciate all your supportive comments and will stick to our guns. You can read all articles about this matter on our website. http://www.occvikingnews.com

Once again, thatnk you all for your support and sincere comments.

Jul 23, 07 - 04:22 pm Comment from: Fritz Wonnacott

For Wayne B:

Now _THERE_ is an enlightened opinion folks!

I guess we don't need Wayne B as a Mac User anyway, because he just WOULDN'T GET IT! Seeing how Windows has always been a blatant rip-off of the Mac OS, that is! - Never mind Vista being a PATENTLY vicious rip-off of Mac OS X -- Gadgets vs Vista's Widgets? Gimme a break!!

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