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Microsoft tries to blunt power of Apple iPod’s dock connector
Monday, November 28, 2005 - 09:00 AM EDT

"The Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) has established a working group to develop a universal docking standard for portable devices, the US-centric organisation announced this week," Tony Smith reports for The Register. "The move is being driven by Microsoft - at least, the software giant is the only company to be granted quotation space on the CEA press release, and there's a Microsoft staffer in the working group's chair. It's not hard to see why. Having failed to beat the iPod using proprietary technology - the Windows Media format - it's try to beat it using a sharper weapon: the open standard it defines."

"Apple's iPod owes its success to many factors, not least of which is the company's decision to develop the player's dock connector. Where other music player makers have simply stuck in a USB port and and left it at that, the proprietary dock connector has provided the perfect foundation for a whole range of iPod accessories that have, in turn, helped the small white player on its way to mainstream market dominance," Smith reports.

Smith writes, "If Apple follows the standards process and adopts whatever specification the CEA team comes up with, it still finds itself up against competitors whose players have as many accessories as the iPod does and, worse, risks alienating owners of older iPods for whom potential purchases will fade away as the classic iPod dock connector becomes increasingly irrelevant. This is an issue for Apple because it's a hardware company. It's not an issue for Microsoft, because it sells software and as long as somebody makes hardware that uses its code, it wins. It has no vested interest in hardware beyond that need, whereas Apple's success is predicated upon designing and selling great hardware."

"Apple's best option - 'least-worse' might be better - would be to co-opt the standards process by proposing its existing specification as the de facto standard," Smith writes. "That way, at least, it's not going to have to spend years ignoring the growing support for the rival specification, only to have to cave in to market forces and support it anyway. This way, it could also continue to earn royalty revenues, as it does with FireWire, for instance, but again loses the advantage it has gained to date from the iPod's undeniably innovative dock concept."

Full article here.

[Thanks to MacDailyNews reader, "Stoo," for the heads up.]

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Nov 28, 05 - 10:10 am Comment from: Jeff

In the end, open standards will always win. Apple can make all the money they want now, but they better get involved in this or they will lose out eventually.

I have always felt the iPod has a limited lifespan. 10 years at most. Eventually, portable players will be commodity items. Apple really has two choices. Milk it till it runs dry or make the iPod more open to developers and maybe risk losing a little marketshare now.

But with Apple wanting to charge fees for accessories and such, it seems to me that they have decided to milk it till it runs dry. Can't say whether this is a better choice or not, but I do think this one has a dead end at some point. How many years is that? I don't know.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:11 am Comment from: Mozfan

Microsoft finally knows what it's like to be the minority market share holder, and they don't seem to like it.

It seems to me we have a standard to go along with the "Gold Standard" in MP3 players.

The truth is that nothing can touch iPod and its delivery/sales model.

Microsoft is willing to use whatever it can to slow Apple's growth and lower its market share. Microsoft needs to understand that Apple's "mind-share" is far more dangerous to Redmond.

~M

Nov 28, 05 - 10:20 am Comment from: Road Warrior

Wow, the egos of the yanks has grown. First it was the world series for baseball (2 countries). Now the "universal docking standard for portable devices, the US-centric organisation announced this week".

Can't wait to see what happens when the US takes over heaven and the other place.

Or as Bill Gates has been known to say to God "you are sitting in my chair".

Nov 28, 05 - 10:20 am Comment from: Mike Buonarroti

Microsoft and their buddies can make any sort of connector they want for their unpopular devices. There is absolutely no reason why Apple needs to listen to any of this pointless nonsense.

The days of Microsoft pushing around the hardware companies is gone. And, unless Microsoft can produce a stable, inherently secure, operating system within the next 12 months, Microsoft's own days are numbered.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:26 am Comment from: Bob

I don't see the point in this useless exercise by Microsoft. Pretty much any open standard can be blunted by an adapter creating another cottage industry.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:30 am Comment from: KenC

Non issue. There are lots of connectors that are "standards", and yet, not every device carries all of these "standard" connectors. Who cares if the Apple connector is not the official standard, it's the defacto standard.

Apple has such a head start, any new connector, standard or not, is just not going to get any traction.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:37 am Comment from: Not-Road Warrior

@RoadWarrior: We'll just take Heaven. Looks like Eurasia already has the corner on the market for "the other place."

Nov 28, 05 - 10:38 am Comment from: Bill Gates

Yeah, Jeff, that's why we control 95% of the market. Because open standards "always win."

Bwahahahahahahahah!

luv,

BillyG

Nov 28, 05 - 10:41 am Comment from: MacConvert

With the iPod dominating the market, any proposed universal standard will fail unless the iPod goes along with it. There are two ways this can play out.

1) Apple decides to go along with it, and it goes somewhere.

2) Apple tells the CEA where to go, and continues making the iPod dock connector as they always have. The other mp3 players all make theirs the same, and people continue to buy iPods just as they are now with no knowledge of any universal standard.

To the general public, iPod is the universal standard. I was at Best Buy over the weekend. They had an entire row devoted to mp3 players, and the only ones receiving any attention were the nano and 5G iPod. Move down the aisle a little, and the only accessories that are being looked at are the iPod accessories.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:44 am Comment from: Veronica

Billy, why did you name your company after your penis?

Nov 28, 05 - 10:49 am Comment from: Donnie & Delsey

Yes, I am glad all men and women have a universal dock connector....
what this isn´t a sex chat forum?...sorry.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:50 am Comment from: critic

There already is a standard, non-proprietary connector that any device manufacturer can use, and it was even mentioned in the stupid article: USB.

After this Xmas season, there will be over 50 million iPods in circulation. Why would device manufacturers want to deal with ANOTHER interface to address 20% of the market? The low market share argument has always been used to explain why there is not as much software for the Mac as there is for Windows, and even viruses.

This is Microsoft just trying to keep themselves from becoming irrelevant in the digital music space.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:51 am Comment from: It already has a standard connector

It's called USB. The iPod connector is not necessary for 3rd party crap to work with 'iPod enabled' devices. ALL new iPods are USB 2.0 only-- a huge step backwards due to the lame hardware configuration of most Windoze PeeCees. Trading FireWire for USB 2 is like trading a Porsche for a Hyundai.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:52 am Comment from: Synthmeister

CEA? CEA!? Like consumers are going to buy whatever the CEA recommends. Now five years ago this might have been a threat to Apple but if 80% of consumers are buying one type of anything, it is the standard.
This will be another asterisk on a footnote in the appendix of MP3 player history.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:54 am Comment from: allgood2

I say Apple's universal dock is already a standard, so recommending it as one to this new committee shouldn't be that big of a deal. Let's face it any type of universal dock will take some time to be adopted; even if the standard was introduced tomorrow. Let's not forget the millions of media players with only a standard USB in/out port. A standard dock will make these device obsolete, or worse introduce a series of adapters and cables all sold separately.

Most of the other media players on the market, literally have no dock or stand or any of that. They don't even have close to comparable body widths and heights. Take a look at almost any of the Rio's http://system.s2gstore.com/site/RioAudio/mp3players.htm compared to Samsung http://www.cnet.com/4570-11467_1-31278883.html?tag=hggcat or Archos http://www.archos.com

That's a lot of manufacture design revisions. First players would need to contain a connector (and unless that connectors a standard USB port) would require redesign or adaptors.

I want to say, Sony offers a dock for their device(s), but I can only honestly say that Apple is the only company that across the board offers a dock. But I'd pay to see Rio try to make Apple's Universal Dock work with their RIo S35S http://system.s2gstore.com/site/RioAudio/RIO-28260015R.htm.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:55 am Comment from: ron

>Wow, the egos of the yanks has grown. First it was the world series for baseball (2 countries).>

Yes, and we play "football" with our hands. Figure that one out.

Nov 28, 05 - 10:56 am Comment from: zupchuck

The "least-worst" option is what MS does all the time. Since MS is the defacto standard, it drives everyone to support it. Apple should do the same.

Oh, the irony!

Nov 28, 05 - 11:01 am Comment from: Tim Coughlin

Would it not be easy to retain the current dock to maintain backwards compatibility and all the benefits of controlling your own dock standard, but also provide a coverter which will enable the 'new standard' to interoperate. Best of both worlds.

I wouldn't put it past Microsoft to artificially prevent this by some means, but thats another story.

Tim Coughlin
http://timcoughlin.typepad.com

Nov 28, 05 - 11:05 am Comment from: M.X.N.T.4.1

I'm all for an open standard - if it's open Microsoft can't then hijack it. Personally I would love to see a Universal standard for power sources. I've got dozens of portable devices with charges or just regular devices which are plugged in all the time and they all use different plugs, different voltages etc, etc. Half the time adaptors don't even work from one device to the other when made by the same company.

Nov 28, 05 - 11:57 am Comment from: Two things there will STILL be

1. Thousands more accessories (ones that don't dock, like cases) for iPod than for anything else.

2. Adapters that go between the two connectors.

But I doubt it gets off the ground even if it gets approved. Apple's connector just provides a ton of functionality that people won't want to give up. Or do we think Microsoft will "get it right" too? smile

Watch this get bogged down for years regardless.

Nov 28, 05 - 12:06 pm Comment from: iSteve

I bought my new '06 Scion xA partly because of the integrated iPod connection. The console has a jack to plug in an adapter cable. What I don't know is if another player could develop another connector standard that could have a cable to work with this jack? But even if they could I don't know that stereo manufacturers will want to include software to operate more than one player.

The irony is the stereo also plays MP3 CDs and WMA CDs but not AAC.

Nov 28, 05 - 12:25 pm Comment from: Kick-Ass Colonist

Road Warrior: "Wow, the egos of the yanks has grown. First it was the world series for baseball (2 countries)."

Road Warrior -- Don't worry. Baseball sucks. Even most Americans know it. And we invented it, ferchrissakes.

But tell me something: When's the last time any of the rest of the world (except for those "2 countries") fielded a genuine football team (as in, AMERICAN-style football)? When's the last time they ever COULD?

Answer: NEVER!

You know why? Cuz you're all two busy drinking your flaccid wine and eating your stinking cheese or forcing down your horrible brown shit that passes for beef [<cough> England <cough>] and just in general acting like a bunch of sissy, whining peaceniks. Get of yer asses and make yourselves useful and then maybe, oh just maybe, one day you too will be able to act like real nations.

Oh, and don't tell me about your stupid-ass rugby players being tough. We don't need a buncha toothless hooligans playing grab-ass in the middle of their scrum piles. And anyway, not a ONE of them could stand up for a single game in the NFL against a 6'3" defensive lineman. They'd be pounded like so much sand. (We know, because we've actually let some of your kind into our league -- but we'll only let them be kickers!)

And don't even get me started on your "soccer" (re: "football") fans. Yaah, real buncha charmers you got there. Hey, here's one for ya: When's the last time a stadium full of "yank" fans enjoying a game was burned down by those very same fans? Or when's the last time a massive riot broke out at an "ugly, violence-filled, disgusting American-style football game"? Gee, let me see, I know I have the answer right here some place -- oh yeah . . . NEVER!!!!!!!

We "yanks" will take America, thank you. Now go eat some more cheese and bend over for the next dictator to take the world stage.

Nov 28, 05 - 01:08 pm Comment from: davida

yes, we Yanks took america, right from the Natives, with some free labor stolen from Africa to boot. And that dictator you're warning about?... he's closer to home than you apparently realize. American football?..a.k.a. the National Fascist's League.. merely lowly entertainment for the ripe for fascism, borrowing war metaphors. Too much concentrated wealth at the top is weakening the middle, watch what happens, in sports and society. American car companies are selling at a loss, the market can't bear the real price. When the walls come crashing, best to be debt free, oh yea, better change your dollars into Euros, just like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates have.
peace.


mw-'friends'

Nov 28, 05 - 01:39 pm Comment from: davida's ass

Typical pablum spewed by a non-American dork. Let me guess -- European?

Yaah, typical. Bail your asses out of a World War and send you billions of dollars of our money and you piss on everything about us.

Take your "standards-based" dock connector and shove it up your ass.

Sideways.

Nov 28, 05 - 01:41 pm Comment from: baseball

the "world series" was originally named after the newspaper that sponsored it... the New York World. The series became popular and the name stayed even after the paper went bust.

I wish people would get this story right

Nov 28, 05 - 01:46 pm Comment from: davida

actually born in NYC, now live in the 'North Star' state, and am a descendant of Thomas Jefferson's VP, who he brought to trial for treason, do you know your history? but sorry the article is about an American business trying to pull some shiite, typical. Didn't have anything to counter what I said? Personal attacks only make you look silly. A true patriot will defend his country against the government/corporate oligarchy.

Nov 28, 05 - 02:49 pm Comment from: PC Apologist

Well this has gotten well and truly off the point, hasn't it?

Apple cares not for standards. If their previous behavior is any indicator, they'll also refuse to license the iPod dock connector as the standard, even if the development group were interested (they won't be).

*IF* competing products can manage to leverage a standard interface that lets them use standardized mass-market accessories to keep prices low, then they'll represent that much more of a threat to the iPod. Getting the footing at this point is going to be tough, though.

Nov 28, 05 - 08:20 pm Comment from: Max in jolly old England

Kick-Ass Colonist:
"But tell me something: When's the last time any of the rest of the world (except for those "2 countries") fielded a genuine football team (as in, AMERICAN-style football)? When's the last time they ever COULD?

Answer: NEVER!"

It doesn't have anything to do with the topic but then neither did the above quote.

The reason no other countries have fielded an American football team is because no other countries take the game seriously. American football is considered a boring stop-start game that doesn't flow like the older proper sports like football (soccer) and Rugby. American Football is very small on the world stage. It's suited to the attention span of the average American who can only take things in short burts before the next commercial or hot-dog.

Taking my tongue out of my cheek.

As for the dock connector, I just hope Microsoft don't end up controlling something useful. I'm sure it'll work out in the end.

Nov 29, 05 - 10:27 am Comment from: Mark

You jealous little eurotrash. Keep whining. No matter what you say the US will always be the place to live. You're countries are great to visit but you'd never, ever want to live there. Spain's terrorism summit turned out great. No one showed up from the middle east or other muslim countries after they said they would be there. You're really getting far with Iran....... What's it going to take for you morons to figure out that muslims don't like or listen to wimps? They will target the wimps first. That means you.

Nov 30, 05 - 03:39 am Comment from: TheConfuzed1

As has been mentioned already, if need be, Apple can develop and sell an adaptor to make the iPod fit whatever universal dock connector they choose.

But I foresee another possibility--Third party developers of this universal dock connector bundling their own adaptors with their products, in order to appeal to both sides.

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