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Enderle: ‘Surveys indicate demand for Apple’s products is dropping like a rock’ due to Intel switch
Monday, August 01, 2005 - 04:48 PM EST

By SteveJack

Technology pundit Rob Enderle writes of the yawns being induced from IT types over Microsoft's Windows Vista (née Longhorn) - probably partly because they were up every night last week applying patches to fix patches and cleaning spyware, adware, and assorted malware because, way back when, their companies were too cheap to buy real Macs, so they settled for poor imitations.

Enderle looks at two scenerios: if Windows Vista is a "dud" or a "killer" product. If it's a dud, Enderle writes, "I honestly don't see... Apple benefiting much from this failure unless they change dramatically... into a company that will listen and respond to business needs." Enderle think that seems that's "too unlikely to speculate on at this point" even though his statement just sits there like a lump of ---- and isn't explained a whit. The requirements to be a technology pundit these days are remarkably and disappointingly low, it would seem. Enderle does get one thing right when he pens, "One of the foundations for Windows' success in the past has been a closely coupled Office product. But these days Office for the Mac is better coupled to Apple than Office is to Windows, so there is little help expected from that quarter." Bravo, Rob.

Within Enderle's even more vapid and incomprehensible "If Windows Vista is Killer Product" section (I defy anyone to tell me what the heck he's trying to say in that section), he scribbles two sentences, "As demand for a new product goes up, demand for existing products goes down, which is part of the risk Apple took when pre-announcing the move to x86. Recent surveys indicate demand for Apple's existing products is dropping like a rock as a result."

That's it. He just deposits it there and moves on. No supporting evidence, no sources, nothing - just like the contents of his earthquake-fearing gourd, I strongly suspect. Since Enderle, who's clearly the reason for Apple's "Do Not Eat iPod shuffle" disclaimer, offers no evidence of his "recent surveys," I was forced to hunt for my own. This is what I found:

• Joe Wilcox, Jupiter Research: "I would be surprised if the [Intel] transition has any impact on Mac sales in the short term. In fact, the opposite might be the case." (Analysts don't see Apple's Intel switch dimming 'iPod Halo Effect' - July 30, 2005)

• Robin Bloor, IT-Analysis: "If you are wondering whether Apple's switch to Intel will put buyers off, the evidence at the moment seems to be: no... Of course, demand may diminish in the coming months, but I suspect that most buyers don't care too much about it either way." (Apple's pending Intel switch not hurting PowerPC-based Mac sales - July 25, 2005)

• Piper Jaffray: "We expect continued market-share gains through the back-half of CY05, as Apple benefits from carryover from the massive installed base of iPods during the back-to-school and holiday seasons." (Apple continues to grow worldwide Macintosh market share - July 25, 2005)

• IDC, Gartner: "IDC announced that Apple's share of the U.S. personal computer market climbed to 4.5% in Q2 2005, up from Q1 2005's 3.7%. Gartner yesterday said that Apple posted the highest growth rate among its peers as U.S. shipments grew 31%, helping it advance to No. 4 personal computer maker in the U.S." (Apple Computer primed for continued market share gains - July 19, 2005)

• Red Herring: "Since Apple Computer disclosed last month it would start building its computers with Intel chips, the company’s hardware sales have apparently risen and will likely remain strong after the switch occurs, a report said Tuesday on the eve of Apple’s third-quarter earnings release. The latest ChangeWave Research report surveyed 1,809 senior technology and business executives. Interest in Apple desktops has also increased, according to the report, with 7 percent responding that they had purchased desktops in the past 90 days, versus 2 percent in March. The survey revealed that 19 percent of respondents were more likely to purchase an Apple computer in the future after the Intel announcement, as opposed to 3 percent who said they were less likely to do so." (Report: Apple to benefit from Intel chip switch; Mac sales on the rise - July 13, 2005)

• Forbes, Cowen & Co.: "A comprehensive consumer survey by S.G. Cowen & Co. in June lays out a convincing case for a 'halo' effect for Apple Computer's Macintosh computers. iPod owners with Windows computers were more than three times as likely to buy a Mac... S.G. Cowen expects Apple to snag 3.7% of the U.S. PC market by year's end, up from about 3.3% currently. It expects its share to grow to 4.2% next year, and it believes that 6% is achievable by 2008. By then, analysts envision Mac revenue topping $11 billion and worldwide market share nearly doubling to 4%." (Comprehensive survey shows 'iPod Halo Effect' is increasing Apple Mac sales, market share - July 12, 2005)

• RealMoney: "Apple increasingly looks like it is as good a short-term trade here as it is a long-term investment... pretty much every indicator and check that I can find confirms that the magnitude of the halo effect is quite profound, and that any impact that the [Intel] processor transition is going to have won't affect that magnitude except on the extreme fringes. Indeed, I think Apple has cooked itself up a heckuva strong quarter yet again, and that it's going to sail past the Street's estimates and raise guidance going forward." (RealMoney: Apple's iPod Halo Effect 'quite profound,' Macs taking good market share from Wintel - June 27, 2005)

Enderle finishes up his mess with, "Based on my experience with large firms, however, success is actually the long shot. For me this really feels like a repeating theme: As companies increase in size it often becomes more important for those in power to get the final say than to be successful. I've watched large company after large company make incredibly obvious mistakes and I am frankly very concerned that we are seeing the beginnings of another one of those situations. Still, Microsoft has come through in the past and is clearly capable of coming though again. Because so many depend on its success I just hope Microsoft has one more success left in it."

It seems that many technology pundits seem to depend on, and hope for, Microsoft's success, too.

Full article here.

SteveJack is a long-time Macintosh user, web designer, multimedia producer and a regular contributor to the MacDailyNews Opinion section.

Related MacDailyNews articles:
Apple smashes street with record revenue, earnings; shipped 6.155 million iPods - July 13, 2005
Apple beats The Street; posts net profit of $290 million on $3.24 billion revenue - April 13, 2005
Tech Pundit Enderle: 'This year will be more difficult for Apple Computer' - January 24, 2005

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Aug 01, 05 - 05:55 pm Comment from: MacMDStudent

BOOYA

Aug 01, 05 - 05:56 pm Comment from: wandering joe

Enderle doesn't know Jack!!

Aug 01, 05 - 06:04 pm Comment from: John

LOL And why would Apple not benefit if Vista is a dud. Apple is already benefiting because XP is turning into a dud. A virus and spyware/malware security bug. Apple's market share is rising. So if Microsoft trips over there over confident two feet they will be hurting big time. Besides Leopard is on it's way and will be out before Vista and then they will see they got it wrong again.
Underware needs to open his eyes to the real world.

Aug 01, 05 - 06:05 pm Comment from: wandering joe

Vista

Vira
Infections
Spyware
Trojans
Adaware

I know it's been said before, but this is something new. (i think)

Vista, in the language Sanskrit, depending on how you pronounce it, which does vary from region to region in the Indian sub-continent, nevertheless can and does mean excrement!

Aug 01, 05 - 06:06 pm Comment from: Macpaul

What a jester Enderle is. Good grief, they let anyone use the Internet these days...

Aug 01, 05 - 06:14 pm Comment from: Keith in Tokyo

Ah, what a relief. With Thurrott starting to make sense, I thought I might have dropped through a wormhole into an alternate future. Thankfully Enderle is still his old blathering self.

Aug 01, 05 - 06:29 pm Comment from: Hywel

One of the barriers to getting businesses to buy into Apple is that there is a often a supply problem. Being dependent on, and locked in to Apple hardware that is unlikely to be delivered in a timely manner is a big reason why Apple isn't going to be big in enterprise any time soon.

Most enterprise customers haven't even looked at Apple to even know that yet. Without knowing the one big problem, they're not even nibbling. So when they do take a look, they'll mostly run a mile.

The biggest thing Apple can do to remedy this is to license OS-X. Or possibly just OS-X Server, so that it runs on standard x86 boxes. Maybe there could be a subset of hardware that it officially supports (like Avid has a standard config).

Licensing the Server OS but not the desktop could make a lot of sense.

This is looking largely at my client's organisation rather than saying this is true for all organisations. I suspect it's true of a large number of enterprise customers. Many would, of course, be able to make a switch to Apple fairly painlessly in the short term, and with massive long term benefits. Many would see it as just too big a risk in terms of hardware supply alone.

Aug 01, 05 - 06:39 pm Comment from: Winston

"It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth
and remove all doubt." — Mark Twain

Rob apparently didn't get the memo.

Aug 01, 05 - 07:08 pm Comment from: dogfriend

Hey Wandering Joe - I like this version better:

Viruses
Instability
Spyware
Trojans
Adware


Also to everyone out there: Please don't click on the link to Enderle's POS - By feeding the trolls, we provide the sustenance they need. I would like this troll to die of malnutrition.

Aug 01, 05 - 07:09 pm Comment from: Macview

Ahhh Enderle, the Homer Simpson of the tech analyst world. Hey Enderle they have internet on computers now!

Aug 01, 05 - 07:17 pm Comment from: gypsy

this enderle actually holds down a legitimate postion, and the company that he works for actually pays him as well?

Aug 01, 05 - 07:24 pm Comment from: Fred Mertz

Rob Enderle (and his wife, no less) run the Enderle Group:
http://www.enderlegroup.com/profile.htm

Most probably because Rob has long ago exhausted all other possibilities for a real job on this planet.

Aug 01, 05 - 07:32 pm Comment from: gypsy

I guess no legitimate company would pay him for the dribble he puts out. But thats what you get from an MS footstool.

Aug 01, 05 - 07:59 pm Comment from: whoha

Adware Journalism is what he practices. Adware Journalism is the practice of saying stupid and controversial things as to attract traffic to their site. Can you say ZDNET's Anchor Desk?

Just ignore them and their ad revenue with die and they will wilt away.

Aug 01, 05 - 08:28 pm Comment from: Tera Patricks

HOLY MAC!

"Recent surveys indicate demand for Apple's existing products is dropping like a rock as a result."

The "surveys" he mentions are his own. He called a few IT folks who have Macs (checking demand) and asked if they're planning to buy any more Macs or wait until the Intel-based Macs arrive.

The IT folks, both of 'em, said, "Nah, we'll wait."

It does NOT take much to become an industry pundit. I'm thinking of taking on the challenge of becoming an Enderle Pundit.

There's just no challenge in it...

Tera Patricks
Mac360

MDN Magic Word = "done"

Aug 01, 05 - 08:40 pm Comment from: Robert Pritchett

raspberry And to think I wasted a whole month coming up with this information. Okay, two:

Mac Numbers?

Aug 01, 05 - 08:59 pm Comment from: snowman

Is it just a coincidence that all of the Windoze fanboys are this mentally handicapped and deluded, or have I spotted a trend here ? I think that Apple's successes of late have been too much to deal with and they're collectively on the verge of a nervous breakdown. Better give this man some Zoloft.

Aug 01, 05 - 09:38 pm Comment from: Winston

Hey, look at me. I'm an internet analyst!
-----------
To: All Women Age 21-40 (especially the hot ones)
From: The Winston Group
Re: Desirability of Single Males
Date: 8/01/05

The Winston Group today announced the results of a survey comparing the relative desirability of various single males. Respondents overwhelmingly chose Winston as their ideal sexual partner. Survey respondents characterized male models and jocks as "duds" whose desirability was “dropping like a rock,” while Winston was considered “the killer app of the bedroom." The research methodology used in the survey is proprietary and cannot be divulged; however, it fully conforms to today’s standards for internet punditry.

"This survey vindicates what I've been telling skeptical women ever since high school,” said Winston, President of the Winston Group. “In fact, it’s possible that I'm too sexy." The full survey results are available to all sororities, bachelorette parties, MILFs and divorcées upon request.

Aug 01, 05 - 10:12 pm Comment from: davida

I never go to the articles, the MDM take is usually 'rich' enough, and then I know better. Where are the anti-mac trolls on sites like this?.. licking their wounds... better not get too smug.. Apple's comeback is still young.. don't want to karmically mess it up.

Aug 01, 05 - 10:20 pm Comment from: Artbert

I like the fact that M$ just announced "Premium" versions of windows and office out in the near future, to drive "growth." I'm sure Enderle, Thurrot, etc, are just salivating to shovel more money to ms.

Aug 01, 05 - 10:57 pm Comment from: ron

>this enderle actually holds down a legitimate postion, and the company that he works for actually pays him as well?>

Yes, his mommy owns the company.

Aug 01, 05 - 11:26 pm Comment from: monsignor

may I suggest

VISTA = "Vaporware Is Something To Avoid"

Aug 01, 05 - 11:43 pm Comment from: eon

Windows: (n) A wide clear opening that allows rays of spyware and viruses to pass through.

Vista: a welcoming neon sign permitting Big Brother and others through clever applicatoins to see through your Windows.

Aug 01, 05 - 11:45 pm Comment from: eon

MacOSX: A series of powerful domesticated large cats that protects you on your journey through the cyber landscape. Allowing you to focus on your creativity so that you can achieve higher levels of consciousness and livelihood.

Aug 02, 05 - 04:14 am Comment from: Intel

Lets hear it Mac faithful "We're number 4!!, we're number 4!!.."

Aug 02, 05 - 07:18 am Comment from: Petey

Enderdele = a crock of shit.

He is as qualified as I am in the IT business.

As usual - a biased and non factual pos from someone that breaks all the rules of 'basic' reporting and gives the impression of someone who has never attended, let alone graduated, from any journalistic training.

My mother's view on vista is more accurate than this pos.

Move along people - nothing to read here...

Aug 02, 05 - 08:33 am Comment from: Some server thoughts...

When Apple produces a legitamate counter-product to Exchange, it will be all over. However crappy it might be, Exchange does drive the corporate world. Not just the email, but the calendaring fuctionality.

If Apple runs with this, and is able to explain what to do in a policy-less world (that's what I always hear, "What about policy?"), then they will eventually eat up market-share...

Aug 02, 05 - 09:40 am Comment from: MCCFR

Some server thoughts…

Personally, I'd look at Kerio's Mailserver product at http://www.kerio.com/kms_home.html.

Aug 02, 05 - 11:10 am Comment from: Hemorrhoid Rahe

"Some server thoughts" hit that right on the money-- email functionality on OS X in an Exchange server environment is absolutely frustrating. Considering the saturation of Exchange in business, and the fundamental tool it has become in an office environment, I am flabbergasted that Apple has not come up with a real solution. I'm saddled with running Outlook 2001 in Classic (the only app I run in Classic)... I need both the Exchange email function AND calendaring. If Apple (or a third party) doesn't develop a solution by the time the Intel boxes ship (which won't boot Classic), this could seriously impact Macintel sales in business environments.

Aug 04, 05 - 06:07 am Comment from: idiots

Time for Tim Cook and the folks at Apple to wake up. They're losing the big education deals, kissing Microsofts _ _ ss, and now sucking up to Intel. So much for "we're Apple and we're the good guys"...Apple is becoming the bad guys...

Aug 06, 05 - 03:14 pm Comment from: Beeblebrox

I don't see any evidence that Apple is losing "big education". Sales are up huge in the ed market for Apple. Last quarter it was around a 40% increase in the laptop area alone.

-B


P.S. Winston gets the prize for the funniest post on MDN this month so far. Almost did a spit take on my 12" PB.

Sep 08, 05 - 02:18 am Comment from: DO

I just bought 2 iMacs, the 20" and the 17", and didn't think twice about the pending Intel Mac to come. You'll never understand why, Enderle.

Sep 08, 05 - 02:19 am Comment from: Rob Enderle

Please, God. Someone. Anyone. Shoot me before I speak again.

Sep 13, 05 - 03:05 pm Comment from: Bigpics

I just bought my first Mac after 24 years of intense Apple watching, though it took the biggest "sale" in Apple history to get me to finally make the jump (free iPod for students/faculty plus half price printer), i.e., I buy that they're the best machine, but have always found the premium too high.

Especially since I don't have much use for iLife or Appleworks (having pro level alternatives to both) and Kofabulator's widegets are fine, so no huge value add for me.

In any case the research took me to two Apple stores on multiple visits, and on EVERY visit the stores were the busiest in their respective malls. And I mean product walking out the door by the bag and dolly full, not just lots of lookers.

So much for sales dropping like a rock.

My fondest hope then, is that i(ntel)Macs will take off in volume sales, increasing economies of scale, and by having to play Avis to MS's hertz, will be more price competitive than they are today.

Sep 17, 05 - 08:27 am Comment from: Macz

We need new notebooks and also a new desktop at home and although Vista looks interesting I wouldn't have a problem investing in all new Apple computers today. There will be software and accessories avaible for them way beyond their usefullness runs out.

Sep 30, 05 - 04:34 pm Comment from: DanD

Just wait until Apple's quarter end sales numbers are released in mid October. Enderle's little theory will be totally blown out of the water then for sure...

Oct 11, 05 - 03:50 pm Comment from: DanD

Ok, the numbers are out and Macs sales were UP 4.6% from the past quarter. I wouldn't call that dead on the water! LOL

Nov 16, 05 - 04:23 pm Comment from: BillK

I just bought a PowerBook because it works and I didn't want to wait for what will be at first a minimal performace increase and probably at best software that's not going to be totally ready. It's a natural for Apple to go to Intel, the same way it would be for Microsoft to put Vista on a UNIX platform.

Nov 29, 05 - 03:11 pm Comment from: dogfriend

I just wanted to point out how accurate Enderle was in hindsight, LOL.

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