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If you need to have two monitors, I'm willing to bet you can use the other extras that come with the PowerBook and are willing to pay extra for them.

My 16 yr old niece, on the other hand, has no idea that you can hook two screens to one computer, and I doubt she needs a second screen to keep iChat from covering the paper she's typing in Word.

An iBook? Just wouldn't cut it for me. I'm too used to having my PB spanning to my Cinema Display and I feel the loss when I only have just the PB screen on the plane.

If you want a portable, desktop replacement and like a larger screem, there's no replacement for the PB 17". BTW, there's NOTHING like it even available on the Windows side; the lightest Windows 17" notebooks are 3 lbs heavier! At 6.9 lbs, the PB 17 was lighter than the 15" IBM Thinkpad it replaced; at 9.9 lbs, the Windows 17" notebooks were not really portable. I take my notebook to/from the office every day plus travel 1-2/ month--there's no way that was going to work with a 10 lb monster. This was not the only reason I switched, but it was a significant one.

I obviously meant "larger screen" and not "larger screem."

About those firmware hacks... I believe Apple controls this somwhere else too. Wanna know the best example? Easy. For those of you that Have OS 9 bootable iBooks, pop on the Norton Systemworks (booting on OS9) while having a second monitor plugged in. what happens? booting with the norton SW cd automatically makes monitor spanning, however boot with Apple's OS 9 (included with the ibook) and for a couple of seconds you have spaning, but then switches back to mirroring. This weird behavior doesn't happen with X.

So i guess it's something else besides firmware, maybe the video drivers are different for those models.

Anyone had the same experience?

(btw I used Norton SW 2.0)

I'm sold on the new 15" powerbook. I heard MDN mention "docked"... Does anyone know of an docking solution for the new powerbooks? Instead of plugging everything into the back of the book, you'd just plug the book into a dock of some sort I assume? I'm a powerbook newbie, so any help appreciated!

Mike,

The word "docked" in the article above is now linked to Photo Control's "BookEndz" website. These are the brand of "docks" that we use at MDN.

http://www.photo-control.com/bookendz/

Click the link where MDN mentions "docked." You'll be taken to the company page that makes exactly what you want. You could also just click here:
http://www.photo-control.com/bookendz/

Spanning isn't an issue - anyone can enable spanning on a recent iBook, including the newest G4's with the "Screen Spanning Doctor" script:
http://macparts.de/ibook/

sorry for sidetracking... is it easy to install extra ram on new 12" powerbook? i have first generation 15" g4 powerbook and it's so easy and thinking to upgrade to 12"...

Yes, the "Spanning Doctor" works OK for me. The "certain level of risk" associated with it as described in the article seems to be mostly theoretical. It works just fine, albeit buggy (sometimes crashes the Display system preference). Since this hack is just a few bugs short of giving the same capability as the Powerbook, it seems reasonable to assume that Apple deliberately crippled the iBook to distinguish the two levels of laptops.

Kim, yes it is.

There's a small plate on the base of the PB - just undo 4 small screws and the slot for the extra RAM is underneath. Just pop in the new module, replace the plate and you're done.

Takes less than a minute.

Screw the Apple 17".
I'm skipping Dell and going stright to Acer!

"The Acer Aspire 1711SCI is a 15.7-pound, mainstream consumer notebook computer. Compared to other consumer level notebooks on the market, it is relatively inexpensive at around $1,535. Has Wi-Fi (wireless connectivity) built-in. The 17-inch screen has a native resolution of 1280 x 1024, which is better than most laptops. Has the Intel Pentium 4 2.8 GHz under the hood. This configuration includes a 80GB hard drive and 512MB of computer memory. "

Yeah! This is no 6 lb feather. I want to know I'm getting my money's worth. And at 1 hour of battery life, I can fly almost all the way from Sacramento to SF without a recharge!

Correction: with the WiFi running (after it takes me a year to configure) I bet I'll get 10 minutes of up-time.

I'm not quite sure of the point of this article, screen spanning is far from the only reason to get a PowerBook.

The marvelous thing is that for 2 extra bucks they could put spanning in an ibook, but they can't because the product line would become blurred, and people would shop sensibly instead of simply buying the few choices steve chooses to set out. Lack of competition is a wonderful thing, for the seller.

I know I know they are still great products, competitive with wintel (and especially so with that acer brick, in- expensive as it may be). But doesn't it sometimes frost you that Apple's consumer offerings are so orderly?

15.7 lbs and one hour of battery life-- well that makes us all want to run out and get one

Most Mac laptop owners have Powerbooks than iBooks, I won't tell you how I know this.

CAbuckeye - I have one of these machines you talk about. I use it as a desktop replacement. It lunched its first battery but got a little over an hour and a half on a charge. It's not a bad machine as long as you don't try and pretend it is a laptop. Oh and it runs windows. Also, when closed it makes a very good powerbook stand. That is what I use it for most of the time - like now.

Hey Joe, sorry for not getting back to your Stockport questions on another thread. I've been out of the country for most of the last week, and only had time to read MDN briefly from the web machines in airport lounges.

At Edgeley Park, £15 gets you a seat at the Cheadle End, the largest stand behind one of the goals. I don't get up to Edgeley often (only once this season), because Saturdays are pretty much taken up catching up with all the things that build up during the working week. I manage to see Stockport when they play a London team, and managed to go along to Griffin Park (Brentford) The Causeway (Wycombe) and Loftus Road (QPR) this season. I'm hoping we get a number of Cup games down here next season, as QPR and Wycombe are no longer in the same division :-(

I like the $699 price on the ibook g3s rite now

Why does Apple continue to cripple the iBook? I don't think very many other manufacturers cripple monitor-spanning in their low-end notebooks. But Apple does. I know the assumed reason is to prevent cannibalization of PowerBook sales, but it seems awfully underhanded to me...

The iBook has an Open Firmware setting to change the ATI card to a mode that enables screen spanning or mirroring.

No hack. It's just something that Apple, by default, turns off.

There are other reasons to get a PowerBook instead of an iBook, but screen spanning support shouldn't be one.

Hey Joe McConnel - do you remember the Gil Amelio days when Apple's consumer offerings weren't so orderly? It was absolute chaos that confused customers and completely hosed up Apple's inventory control. Good thing SJ got it orderly now or Apple really would be dead.

You can Span with an iBook. Please see the following link:
http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html

Enjoy All. Please read instructions CAREFULLY and read list of compatible iBooks. Worked great for my iBook G4 1Mhz

Also the PowerBook also has Bluetooth and FireWire 800 that the iBook does not

Just for accuracy, the comment that "there's NOTHING like it even available on the Windows side; the lightest Windows 17" notebooks are 3 lbs heavier!" is simply false. There are several 17" windows notebooks that are only about 1.5 pounds heavier than the PB. Still heavier of course, but in terms of luggability that 1.5 pound difference (i.e. b/t 8.5 lbs and 10 lbs) is huge.

FWIW, I've done a fully-detailed comparison of the 12" iBook & 12" PowerBook here:

http://www.systemshootouts.org/shootouts/special/2004/0427_12ibook_12pbook.html

Feel free to stop on by and check out the full line of Mac/PC Shootouts!