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Mar 03, 10 - 09:14 pm Comment from: breeze

They gotta be kidding! If this flies then you can be sure to see the biggest class action lawsuit ever against Microsoft.

Hear, hear!

Furthermore:

You ate a cheeseburger for lunch and sat on the couch watching TV every day for the last 20 years, you pay for your heart attacks.

You decided to drop out of high school, you pay the mortgage on your double-wide.

By using a Mac! IDIOT.

Mar 03, 10 - 09:17 pm Comment from: Ampar

That's a huge steaming pile. I have a better idea. Eradicate the source (code) at One Microsoft Way.

Mar 03, 10 - 09:18 pm Comment from: MacMorsel

I flat out won't pay it.

Mar 03, 10 - 09:20 pm Comment from: Greg L

How about we place a tax on all sales of Windows to help fund research into preventing mental retardation?

@Overtaxed in the USA

Since i take care of myself and have a college level education. Should i have a heart attack does your logic mean i still have to pay for medical attention or since i'm an elite like you does this mean i'am exempt?

Mar 03, 10 - 09:23 pm Comment from: Mikeyboy117

Having a Mac should then qualify you for a tax write off!

Mar 03, 10 - 09:23 pm Comment from: Chas

And how the fsck is supposed to eradicate the problem of infected machines in, say, China?

What an utter tool!

=:~)

I have no problem with such a tax, provided you can get an exemption for switching to Mac.

Without getting too specific here (or pointing fingers at anyone) . . . BE PREPARED, AMERICA. Taxes on EVERYTHING are about to skyrocket, from soda to suds, from internet to interest. (And that doesn't even account for the tsunami of inflation that's rolling toward us.)

Grab your ankles, folks, for if you think the "rich" can absorb the bill that is coming our way, you're sadly mistaken. Ask not for whom the tax bell tolls: It tolls for thee.

Skyfire,

If you have a college education, I assume you have the means and brains to insure yourself against the potential of an unforeseen health issue.

Health insurance is not a right and, frankly, I'm not amenable to paying for your doctor bills, just as I do not expect anyone else to pay for mine or my family's.

@MacMorsel:

I believe the intent here is to add a tax on consumers through internet providers. You'll have to pay it, hack in some how, or drop your internet service. This sucks, but one way or the other, if this passes, we'll pay.

What, more Microsoft taxation? Funny how Microsoft talks about the Mac tax.

Instead, Microsoft wants the world to pay for there crappy software.

Microsoft! Followed by lemmings at 86 percent of the world computer population.

Mar 03, 10 - 09:30 pm Comment from: Ampar

Cut out Ballmer's monthly Twinkie budget.

There's your money, MS Vice President for Trustworthy Computing* Scott Charney. Grow a pair and tackle the real problem.


*Newspeak. Orwell lives.

Re: Skyfire

The point, which you totally missed, is that people should be held responsible for their choices.

Why should I, as a Mac user, be taxed to support eradicating what is a WIndows problem?

Why should I, as a healthy individual, be taxed to support unhealthy lifestyles?

Why should I, as an educated individual, be taxed to support people who over-extended their life-style expenses?

Oh yeah...more hope and change on the way!

MDN take right on the money as usual.

@Over taxed:

Health reform is being driven because in most, if not all, other countries in the developed world it is considered a right. The devil is in the details of paying for it, and that conflict is most definitely not confined only to the US.

@ Skyfire

You have something against paying for your own bills..??

In America the sense of entitlement long ago morphed into nonsense.

MDN MW: "true"

@Chas....easy. You quarantine China. heheheh

Well I'm quite happy that the Japanese gov. pays for 70% of my healthcare.

jaundiced,

I don't give a shit what "other countries in the developed world" think. They "think" a lot of things that are absolute nonsense.

Health Insurance is not a right. Neither is it legal (Constitutional) for the U.S. federal government to force anyone to pay for it.

For those that can: Take care of yourselves. For those that cannot (due to infirmities to unforeseen disasters), I fully support some publicly-supported health care. This does not include those who have the capacity to take care of themselves, but refuse to do so.

Mar 03, 10 - 09:43 pm Comment from: gixxerhp

Hey Gates just clean up your OS make it a lot like what Mac does charge a tax for something you can fix get a clue bro!!!!!!!

Mar 03, 10 - 09:45 pm Comment from: iQuack

The Windows Tax times 2? Hmm sounds like more than just Twice the tax though.

@Overtaxed:

To each his own. However, I think your second sentence, first line, applies to the US in spades.

Aaarrrggggg (pirate talk)

to many cocktails to make a good arguement, other than to say
Bull Shit!!

I guess they could add it to the obamacare bill and pass with 51 votes

Just so everyone understands; the people who own the infected computers would be the ones footing the tax bill, most bot nets are peer to peer with no main host, this whole thing is stupid, why why why is windows even allowed to be sold in this country, the us govt should consider it a threat to national security

Mar 03, 10 - 09:50 pm Comment from: Ytseman3

Obviously Microsoft has yet to copy the security code in osx, what's taking so long Ballmer? I'm not paying a penny for your POS os problems.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:03 pm Comment from: madgunde

I think it's a GREAT idea! As long as only users of MS Windows have to pay it, and it's clearly spelled out for them the reason they're paying it.

That's the ONLY way it makes sense.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:08 pm Comment from: Hm...

@ overtaxed in the usa

Are you perchance a Windows user? Or is it just willful ignorance for you to not understand the concept of 'shared risk;' i.e., insurance of any form. I also think you may need to reread your old copy of the Constitution again. Specifically check out Section 8 about "The Congress shall have Power ... and provide for the … general Welfare of the United States." Or does 'Providing for the Health of the People' not fall under 'general welfare' for you? I'd not be surprised to see you say no.

Now, back on topic:
Calling the security failure of Windows a "public safety issue" is silly. Wanting a tax levied to clean their mess is wanton hubris. Priceless.

"Microsoft Corporate Vice President for Trustworthy Computing Scott Charney"

this got to be comedy hour

Mar 03, 10 - 10:19 pm Comment from: MacTony

Since Windows based computers are the culprits, we should collect and destroy them. Microsoft will no longer be needed, therefore, they can be liquidated to pay for virus-free Macs. All will be saved. Next problem........

@Overtax
A big part of the need for HC reform is that paying the highest prices for all those unfortunate enough to need our help is not sustainable. Getting people the doctor early instead of the ER later saves money. The other big piece is letting many who can afford it pay nothing until they need care makes it proportionally more expensive for all who act responsably and buy insurance.

As it is right now everyone in the US gets healthcare it's just that the model of delivery costs too much. 17% of GDP in USA verses 9% for countries with universal coverage, and with a higher standard of care. Also people opting out of paying while they're healthy is like buying auto insurance only on the day you crash your car.

Not saying I like what is being proposed currently, but what we have currently totally sucks. 37th in the world for quality while paying nearly double the going rate.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:21 pm Comment from: The Other Steve

The way I see it, Microsoft owes us Macintosh users compensation for all the spam their Windows PC's generate and send to us.

@ Overtaxed in the USA

You contradict yourself in your last post by saying "For those that cannot (due to infirmities to unforeseen disasters), I fully support some publicly-supported health care" from your previous posts. You can't straddle the fence on the issue of a public health option.

Also, you can't compare an internet tax to public healthcare because, unlike technology, most people do not have a choice in preventing ailments. The public option is meant for those not as fortunate as yourself, the children and the mentally disabled who work equally as hard within their means to do well. There will be abusers of the system, yes, but to continue to believe in a meritocracy, you are both naive and spoiled. Most opposers to the public option are those, and you may be one of them, that feel they deserve what they have based on personal merit. But access granted based on socioeconomic privilege is not in the constitution, and it is therefore, according to you, not right to limit access based on such criteria.

This is not just to you, but to all opposed to the public health option: Honestly think about what is right for people, not based on personal experience or out of spite of the loafers. And after doing so, write or call your congressman/senator with suggestions and ideas. If you don't feel comfortable or understand the responsibility in letting those in charge know of your thoughts, you have no legitimacy in arguing.

I would pay a tax to keep all windows machines off the internet.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:27 pm Comment from: The Other Steve

You can call it . . .

The Microsoft Tax!!!

Mar 03, 10 - 10:32 pm Comment from: TheMacAdvocate

This douchebag wants to socialize the healthcare of Windows machines as if they were perfect instruments corrupted through sheer force of hacker malice. I can only hope the session that this cocktwaddler spoke at had a Q&A;portion, where a non-brain damaged attendee politely suggested that Charney get back on his meds.

Tell you what, Scott: why don't you tear your shitshow code base down to scorched earth, make your registry into something that doesn't resemble a microscopic view of Paris Hilton's private parts, then maybe you won't have the problems you're trying to pawn off on people instead of FSCKING FIXING THEM.

Of course, once your "Windows X" is released, Microsoft will be bankrupt. Jobs knows you can innovate for shit, and all your legacy system whiners will have their compatibility broken so your lock-in will be destroyed.

This is a great time to be a Mac user. M$ can't change their OS in any meaningful way because they can't make things people want to use; they can only peddle things people HAVE to use. Watching the corpse in Redmond balloon on the gases of its own rot is such sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

Will the headlines tomorrow read "Scott Charney, formerly Microsoft's Security Chief, today was committed to a mental institution after making very bizarre comments at an RSA conference. Microsoft refused comment on the matter, but a well placed insider did say they never really took him or security very seriously to begin with."

You statist-marxists are sick. Public health care is not a right for anyone. It will get taken down in lawsuits if Mabobama nukes it in. People who are truly disabled already get plenty of assistance. No free rides for everyone. This isn't China or USSR. Move there if you idiot drones like it so much. STOP ruining the US. Global Warming caused by man is BS. Mars, Pluto, Saturn have warmed at the exact same rate. It is the sun. Stop using anything and everything to steal the hard working populations private property, money, and rights!!!!!! 2010 and 2012 will vote you nimrods right back out and we will undo anything you enact. Union (leaders) scum and statists have been engaging in a stealth attack on our way of life and wonderful country for about 100 years. We will stop you. Screw you!

Mar 03, 10 - 10:42 pm Comment from: Big Als MBP

You road bareback with that trashy hooker, here, take my taxes to pay your hospital bills.

The fact that I haven't gotten laid since the 90's is irrelevant.

Shouldn't the headline end with "Windows-infected PCs"?

Well Micro(soft in the head) put there collective brains together( which equals half a brain) to come up with another great plan.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:47 pm Comment from: Ampar

WTF does health care have to do with MS proposing an internet usage tax?

WTF is wrong with some of you (Hank)? Every thread has to devolve into this bullshit?

Are you infected, "Hank?"

</rhetorical question>

Get some focus and stick to the subject of the thread.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:49 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Mars, Pluto, Saturn have warmed at the exact same rate."

Oops. Sorry. I didn't realize this was a complete lunatic.

Mar 03, 10 - 10:49 pm Comment from: Hm...

@ Hank

I can't decide which Mark Twain quote fits you best:
    —“Let us be thankful for the fools; but for them the rest of us could not succeed.”
    —“You really must get your mind out and have it repaired.”
    —“It is discouraging to try to penetrate a mind like yours. You ought to get it out & dance on it. That would take some of the rigidity out of it. And you ought to use it sometimes; that would help. If you had done this every now & then along through life, it would not have petrified.”

Maybe we could have a poll to decide.

JuSt bought the domain

http://www.Hank-2012.com

Sadly, a lot of people only think about MS as the purveyor of technology, so if they recommend it, it must be the thing to do.

Hm is exactly right. For those of you hell bent on never paying for another's health choices, you must be self insured. Because the whole concept of insurance is based on the collective. The pooling of risk. 50% of your premiums go to pay for others' health expenses.

Haha. That must really piss off you unhinged types.

Mar 03, 10 - 11:32 pm Comment from: Jubei

"You bought that Windows PC piece of junk, you face the consequences of your stupid decision and you pay for the full "experience."

Microsoft tries to imply that there is such thing as an Apple Tax. BS.

Now people are starting to see who really is getting shafted with a so called tax. It's the Windows users. Poor suckers.