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Most American's are conserative by nature. They are neither Right Wing radicals or Left Wing Radicals- hoping the love will pave the way to utopia. Fox New has it points as well as CNN. Both counter balance each other. One has to have a Yeng to the Yang.

And to anyone, who would you goto if all the power and water went down?

Hollywood=Left or the "Yeehaw" people of the right? If you want food you better go right because they can bring it home. If you go left they only know how to keep there hand out for someone else to feed them.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:24 pm Comment from: Islandgirl

Are you sure this is a Verizon ad? Or could it be an ad made by Motorola?

AppleInsider says it's the latter: "Motorola has continued its assault on the iPhone with a new commercial that indirectly compares Apple's handset to a "tiara-wearing digitally clueless beauty pageant queen."

This ad has a crudeness to it, which is a departure from the earlier "There's a map for that" ads from Verizon. They were light and funny. I would think those ads would be more effective than this dark, heavy effort.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:25 pm Comment from: HughB

@DL
You did not notice the white phone near the end? Who else makes a white phone? Not Palm.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:27 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

OK, enough with the anti-gay comments. They are unseemly and suggestive of some confusion/fear about your OWN gender identity.

Also, STFU about J.L.'s ample booty. Some of us hetero males out here, with NO confusions at ALL about our sexuality, are quite happy drooling over that image - until our wives catch us.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:28 pm Comment from: m159

And an odd selection of metaphors. My A/C installer says duct tape is too crappy to actually use it on ducts. As missiles go, the scud is slow and inaccurate.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:31 pm Comment from: MidWest Mac

Hey, I'd rather have a beauty queen in my hand than something duct taped to a scud missle (Iraq's choice of weapon???).

Especially if the queen has over 100,000 apps to go with her luscious curves.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:31 pm Comment from: Bizarro Jeff

Sounds like Droid has some serious penis envy.

Should it work.

Wow, so Verizon wants us to believe the Droid is good like a Scud missle. Last time I remember hearing about Scud missles was during Desert Storm. So Verizon is Iraq and Apple is the US. Scud missles never hit their targets and were very unreliable. Patriot Missles shot those down easily. Nice comparison Verizon, keep it up!

Dec 04, 09 - 12:33 pm Comment from: DLMeyer

HughB, of course I saw the "white phone" ... both early AND late. And IDd it immediately. But it was not identified in the ad. And it was partially covered for most of the time it was shown. From the back.
I didn't say it wasn't shown. I said not identified.

@Mac User

Right, most American men get a truck because they need one. They have to go "Muddin' " on the weekends after all. Besides, a car just doesn't have enough space for my rifle rack and sexy lady mudflaps.

Just make sure you keep your "gayPhone" away from my perfectly-straight-I-mean-100%-straight-no-gayness-here-totally-man body. The gay might rub off.

My initial point was only to say that this might be a clever marketing tactic by Verizon and Moto. Apple is known for great design, and if Verizon can somehow link the iPhone's great design to flamboyant homosexuality, they could cause the iPhone to loose some of it's cool factor. And once a product looses its cool, it's very hard to get it back. It's not so dissimilar from what Apple did with their "I'm a Mac" ads. Apple drew Cartoon of what they wanted people to believe the average PC user looked like, and you don't want to be that guy you want to be the other guy. That is what Verizon and Motorola are trying to do with their ads here, except in this case it's not a character in a goofy business suit, it's a stupid Barbie doll that cares more about style than substance. I just made the obvious next step and said they will probably try to paint the iPhone as being "Gay" next.

Dec 04, 09 - 12:38 pm Comment from: Islandgirl

"And to anyone, who would you goto if all the power and water went down?"

Actually, I'd start by calling the company that supplies my power and water service. Crazy, huh?

I don't see the local GOP group...whose average age equals that of the Daughters of the American Revolution...mobilizing trucks to restore those services.

Honestly, why would anyone feel compelled to turn such a nonpolitical subject into a political diatribe? It's an ad for a phone. It's not Republican, Democratic or homophobic; it's just a phone!

Yet another example of entrenched giants thrashing wildly as their market turf melts away. And the comments here do remind me of Voltaire in a way...

Another thing - Verizon: those commercials with the crowd led by the nerd w/glasses? Always creeped me out. Who wants 350 people following you around? A little privacy, please.

Part of the reason I hope Verizon Wireless NEVER gets the iPhone.

Fk those dumb ads!
I hate ads because they learn us to live the wrong way and usually first show us little bit of triuth just to make us think they are right and then mass of bullshit.

Droid sucks.

I tried it extensively.

Highlighting its worst "feature" the physical clunkiness of the device and trying to turn that to an advantage is pure advertising hooey.

256 MB of app space on the Droid = epic fail

Dec 04, 09 - 01:08 pm Comment from: iSteve

Apple needs a new There's an app for that ad showing things about rock climbing, skiing and doing the Iron Man. This would appeal to men & women, straight and gay. BTW, I'm gay and I've been "muddin" in a friends Jeep on another friends farm - kinda fun.

This should erase ALL hopes that Verizon is going to get the iPhone. Steve has a long memory, and he will not forget this.

Dec 04, 09 - 01:13 pm Comment from: Steve516

Curious their choice of SCUD missile, a crude, cheap, notoriously inaccurate Soviet made weapon system - why not something like a Tomahawk or other more American system, something super accurate, super fast, super cool?

Also, it makes no sense to duct tape a phone to a missile to prove speed - duct tape is 100 mph tape in the military, and 100 mph is not that fast - neither in terms of missiles or data.

Overall a flashy ad, but a poor effort. Obviously made by an ad agency that has no idea what smartphones are in 2009, and even less about what they included in the ad.

This is really good knows for T-Mobile — cause T-Mobile is going to have the iPhone a long, long time before Verizon!

In addition, Verizon may will look back on this add as the beginning of their slow demise downward!

Verizon will need a friend long before both Apple and AT&T;needs them as friends!

I wonder if Michael Dell is watching all this unfold.

He might have some cogent advice for Verizon and Motorola.

@Islandgirl

The ad clearly shows Verizon's logo at the end (although right next the Google's logo). It also has a link that leads straight to Verizon's website. This is a Verizon ad.

Dec 04, 09 - 01:31 pm Comment from: Elsic1975a

Verizon suggesting the Droid is a Scud missile is definitely going for the Viagra set. The only problem?

Verizon's solution is rubber bands and a Popsicle stick.

iSmell no iPhone on Verizon network. iSmell iPhone on T-Mobile. They know it and they are getting desperate.

Droid = Scud missile.
Does Verizon mean that this will be
" the mother of all battles"?

The first thing that I thought when I saw the ad was: that's not a scud missile. Basic item of proof : Scuds have fins. The missile in the commercial doesn't. I thought it looked like a Posiedon SLBM, but the length to width ratio is wrong (Posiedon was about 5 times longer than it was wide; this looks about 10 to 1). At the moment, I can't think of what it might be - but it's not a Scud.

Also, the takeaway message that I got was: "who needs elegance? you can be a manly man and suffer with our glorified turd of a handset." Great sales point - you can have the ugly thing or the nice thing - your choice - same price.

"Should a phone be pretty?"...

So, I guess they're saying it out loud and admitting that their Droid phone is butt fugly?

...and to answer the question, yes, a phone should be "pretty", although I prefer "beautifully designed"... as well as "robust" and "intelligent", which is exactly what the iPhone is.

Dec 04, 09 - 02:01 pm Comment from: Islandgirl

@Fat Basterd

I read the Verizon/Google logos as (1)the retailer where you can buy the Droid, and (2)the creator of its OS. The link would naturally go to the Verizon Web site since that's where the phone is sold.

Again, it doesn't matter to me whose ad it is. I just noted AppleInsider said it's from Motorola. I think that's possible because this ad is a rather dark, crude departure from the amusing "There's a map for that" ads that were obviously done by Verizon.

No matter what company created the Droid ad, I don't know why it would make the ad so macho that it leaves out half the population. But I'm not in the phone marketing business. Maybe that makes sense to those who are.

Dec 04, 09 - 02:05 pm Comment from: dd

Wow. If Motorola makes phones like they made G4s, I'll never worry. Slackers.

Dec 04, 09 - 02:22 pm Comment from: clinicaltechmaster

Outdated, old school, politically incorrect advertising that will backfire on them. Verizon just keeps screwing up. My spider-sense detects fear.

Dec 04, 09 - 02:40 pm Comment from: Steve516

Let's not take shots at the G4 (or other PowerPC chips) - they were made in a joint IBM/Motorola/Apple venture... And the G4 is still doing a great job for lots of folks with Powerbooks out there.

Dec 04, 09 - 02:48 pm Comment from: Scot Murphy

Someone's heard too many Denis Leary voiceovers.

Soooo, Verizon is going after the small penises market?

"I needs a big truck and a manly phone so folks won't realize I've a small dick"

Or or "If I'm going to have something to wrap my fingers around and hang out in my pocket all day, it's gonna be WAAAY manly!"

Dec 04, 09 - 03:34 pm Comment from: DeRS

To be fair, Soviet military technology was grandiose and superb almost in every field.

USSR's supersonic jets could fly with an inch thick ice on it, and Kalashnikov's AK-74 could be drowned in swamp or sand and still could fire.

Dec 04, 09 - 03:46 pm Comment from: Brau

I find it interesting what the ad *doesn't* say. I doubt they can claim to have a better browser than the iPhone so they quip "rips through the internet like a table saw through a banana". Makes no direct claim but does visually indicate it will be a messy affair.

mysogynist, homophobic... so disappointing.

If they said the Droid is a heavy as a scud missile, they'd be right. A friend got one and he now regrets it due to how heavy it is.

Dec 04, 09 - 05:19 pm Comment from: Tommy L NEEL

Leave it to freakin' 'Dallasm' to bring up two controversial and absolutely unrelated topics to the iPhone v Droid debate - being gay and watching Fox News. You people piss me off. And yes, I said 'you people'. First and foremost, get your damned vocabulary correct. Not agreeing with something does not in any way, shape or fashion make you afraid of it. Read a damn dictionary from time to time, will you? Homophobia is the fear of homosexuals. The majority of America, the one's who have voted not to allow the sanctity of gay marriage, are not afraid - WE DO NOT AGREE with your life style and do not think it is in the best interest for the future of America. And remember, it was put to a vote over and over in many states and was denied. So quit your bitchin', stop with all of your hate speech, and for the love, stop bring in topics that do not belong in this forum.

Secondly, I love how the left in this country blast Fox News, yet the anchors on on CNN cannot tote Beck's, O'Reilly's or Hannity's jock. Wether you agree with their point of view or not, they still kill rating wise.

Dallasm, I am sure you mean well. But don't bring up your own personal crap when we are in here talking about truly important things - how the iPhone will stamp out the Droid and every other 'iPhone Killer' that comes along.

Dec 04, 09 - 05:49 pm Comment from: dd

@Steve516 -
The G4 was a good chip, but had many drawbacks. Also, the G4 was mainly Motorola's chip. Do not confuse IBM's continued investments (at the time) in Power and PPC (G3) to mean they also made G4s. They did not.

1) Mot could not get past 500MHz for 18 months without assistance from IBM. After IBM's help, Mot continued to SLOWLY progress on the G4.

2) The G4 ran on a 167MHz FSB bus at MAXIMUM. So, who cares that the G4 topped out at 1.67GHz, since it was down to 1/10 its speed in the bus itself.

Power consumption was great but processing strength/power was not.

The Droid ad is obviously trying to saddle the iPhone with the identity of a girly girl.

iPhone = girly phone.

Droid = manly phone.

So according to the ad's premise, what's the implication of a man toting around an iPhone? What's the implication of a man who prefers using girly things? If you can't see the angle this ad is driving at, then you must be trying really hard not to.

"Homophobia is the fear of homosexuals."

Uh, no. The term homophobia encompasses fear or contempt or descrimination or antipathy against homosexuals. Ending in -phobia doesn't automatically make something a fear of, or else oleophobic screens would be afraid of oil. It can also mean an aversion or repulsion.

"See? I'm not afraid of queers so that means I'm not homophobic!"

It doesn't work that way.

@Tommy L NEEL
"WE DO NOT AGREE with your life style and do not think it is in the best interest for the future of America."

Yeah, you preach it, brother!

And while we're at it, I've got a message for the negroes: I DO NOT AGREE with your skin colour and think it is in the best interest for the future of America that you sit at the back of the bus. Can't you whiners just quit your bitchin' and accept that the front is for whites only? Stop trying to threaten the sanctity of public transportation, already! Sheesh!

@@Tommy L NEEL:

And while we're at it, I've got a message for the pedophiles: I DO NOT AGREE with your sexual practices and think it is in the best interest for the future of America that you die slowly and painfully and then rot in hell for eternity. So quit your bitchin', stop with all of your hate speech, and for the love, stop bring in topics that do not belong in this forum.

Point made. With ease. Because I am so much smarter than you that it's sad.

Sorry, you can't have "marriage." Deal with it. Take "civil union" and be, uh, gay, m'kay fudgepacker?

The Scud is not Soviet technology, it is German technology. It used to be called a V-2 and the technology dates back to a war half a century ago.

That has no real relevance for the effectiveness of the ad, though. "Scud Missile" sounds techno-grungy. It isn't polished and is a system that you might have to get your hands dirty using.

This ad is better than the original "I don't" ads, and it makes it clearer as to who this phone is targeted at: techie folks, readers/authors of TechCrunch, fans of the command line. That is not necessarily a bad market: they tend to be early adopters, be willing to put up with a bit of roughness in the interface and will put time into figuring out work-arounds. It is probably a very good niche to introduce an anti-iPhone. I don't see much expansion potential outside that, however, so the total market is limited. Ironically, these type of ads further work to limit the market by their branding, so even if the Droid gained the ease-of-use and power of the iPhone, the marketeers will have to work overtime to change people's perceptions.

I get it. Verizon is marketing Droids to douchebags.

You're as annoying as Dallasm.

"Point made."

No. Point missed.

Pretty good ad actually.

Except - what does it mean by 'fast'?

Do you have to speak quickly or something?

Erm...

Dec 05, 09 - 10:21 am Comment from: m159

I well recall what it is like to hold a clueless pageant queen in my hands and can offer two observations:

It's not altogether a bad thing.

It bears no similarity to the experience of an iPhone.

Dec 05, 09 - 12:42 pm Comment from: Wireless Test Man

@ The Dude

You said: "'I don't want a robot phone. I want a computer phone with a big universe of applications. That's what Apple sells.'"

So, does this mean you use a Windows laptop?

I laugh every time the number of iPhone apps are mentioned vis-a-vis the competition....

I LOVE my Mac, but you guys are using the same, tired old twisted argument the PC crowd has been using against the Mac crowd for years!

Just like with Windows software, many of the titles are crap... so too are many of the iPhone apps...

There are some GREAT apps for the iPhone that Android does not have, but to boast the sheer number of them is dumbing yourself down to Steve Ballmer-style arguments...

What's the matter? Can't think of an original argument?

Dec 05, 09 - 12:55 pm Comment from: Wireless Test Man

@Islandgirl

you said: "No matter what company created the Droid ad, I don't know why it would make the ad so macho that it leaves out half the population. But I'm not in the phone marketing business. Maybe that makes sense to those who are."

You are spot-on... these ads were created by Mot. Also, I guess many here have short memories... MDN had a post of a story showing the Motorola brand scored higher among MALES than Apple....

I simply see this as one hardware manufacturer taking advantage of something seen in consumer surveys regarding their brand & exploiting it.... nothing more, nothing less...

Whether it is effective or not is certainly debatable, but they are playing to a supposed strength of their brand...

Verizon is way too slick in their advertising to put this stuff out... Both the ads for FiOS & Verizon Wireless are way too creative, slick & cheeky for them to do these....

"I've got a message for the negroes: I DO NOT AGREE with your skin colour and think it is in the best interest for the future of America that you sit at the back of the bus"

From a Random negro:
"You're right. I actually agree wholeheartedly with your statement. I'll just go right home and stop being dark immediately! What was I thinking going around with messed up genetics. Thing is, I'm glad it's so easy to conceal the fact that my skin is dark just by deciding to not be dark.

What a load off."

Just saying... put a straight white guy a gay white guy and a black guy standing at attention in a line up, all wearing the same clothes... BET you that 100% of people could tell you which one was black. Gay?..... not so much