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Oct 09, 09 - 11:32 am Comment from: breeze

That's the smoking gun.

Oct 09, 09 - 11:32 am Comment from: Amorstus

Ah... I just love the smell of biased reporting in the morning...

Oct 09, 09 - 11:33 am Comment from: AmericanJoe

Say it ain't so Walt...

Oct 09, 09 - 11:39 am Comment from: Jubei

In other words, Mossy just jinxed Windows 7 SP.

Oct 09, 09 - 11:40 am Comment from: Brilliant Sandwich

No more pre-release Apple products for you.

Just pandering to the Microsoft stock holders reading the WSJ

Let's face it, most people have Windows and Mossberg wants them to like him. period.

No real journalism on tap here.

Oct 09, 09 - 11:42 am Comment from: bjh

Walt screwed the pooch on this one. When his machines become a morass of viruses and crap will he, one wonders, issue a new review ?

In addition, he seems (from reading the summaries here) to completely ignore or at least underestimate the significance of the new technologies in SL.

Oct 09, 09 - 11:45 am Comment from: mekkalekkart

"Best" is a relative term. If a product upgrades from "completely crappy" to "99% crappy", that means it's the best product produced. I know, I haven't RTFA, but you gotta give Walt a little space for error ... as long as the errors are on the MS side, who cares? He's certainly not an MS fanboi.

Well, maybe Windows 7 is the best version of Windows ever produced.

It's probably also true that some reviewer sequentially claimed that the 2007 and 2008 models were the finest Yugos ever produced.

Oct 09, 09 - 11:49 am Comment from: marko

Microsoft speaks for itself.

Walt has generally been an even handed tech reviewer... However, he has already proved with his previously misguided review of Vista, that the actual acceptance of a Windows operating system will depend ultimately upon its ease of use, and functionality.

Those who suffer with Windows, in the end, still suffer.

Isn't WSJ now owned by Rupert "Foxy" Murdoch?
The Touch of his bony hand is like something from Lord of the RIngs.

On a machine specifically equipped to run Vista, I can imagine that it was 'The best version of Windows...." The problem was that it tended to build up issues over time, wouldn't run software that people needed, and didn't work properly on 'normal machines'.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:03 pm Comment from: iPhoner

"Windows 7 is the best version of Windows ever produced."

Isn't this like saying that Britney is the best singer that the Spears family ever produced?

Think of it this way, saying its the best Windows ever, really isn't saying its that great, since the previous versions are so bad.

Win 7 is impressive only because Vista was such a disappointment and because Microsoft copied even more features of OS X to put into Win 7.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:20 pm Comment from: Lurker_PC

Hmm... if one of the big "problems" for Windows 7 is the upgrade path from Windows XP - not to mention the new HW requirements, wouldn't it seem that most XP folks are going to buy new computers? Especially now that we approach the holiday season.

Given that most XP folks are going to buy new computers, isn't now an opportunity for Apple to due a full court press on the advantages of it's wares?

The "Windows of opportunity" (credit - MDN) is not closed yet but will be closing soon. Hope Apple can somehow take advantage of this situation. Let's hope Uncle Walt's review was a wake up call.

Peace.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:23 pm Comment from: Steve516

I for one hope that Microsoft has improved their product. It means that Apple will continue to improve their product too... We need competition - it fosters innovation and creativity. I'm not saying that they are competing in the same ball park or even playing the same game.... don't misunderstand me.

I think the term we are all looking for here is: Backhanded Compliment.

That is, considering MS's past track record, this is faint praise, . . . though probably not untruthful or exaggerated.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:24 pm Comment from: M

He lost me at "he works for the most respected financial newspaper on the planet"--lol--that's a good one..

Oct 09, 09 - 12:28 pm Comment from: Big Als MBP

Windows may rot over time, but speaking as a Windows hater of the first degree, there are programs out there that will rebuild Windows once a week for you.

Norton, that necessary evil anti-virus vendor, has a program that not only rebuilds Windows but checks out the stability of other mainstream programs on your computer. In addition, it also blocks Microsoft's pathetic attempts to keep your computer virus free. Protection from Microsoft's interference is a bonus.

Sadly, Windows should not fall apart at all but as it does fall apart, there are many apps for that.

I'd rather use a Mac.

Walter Mossberg is a creature of Rupert Murdock — a creature of Fox News, Sky News and the red tops of the once-free U.K.

Ignore him. He sold out.

If MS produces an OS that just works and doesn't needlessly complicate things for the end user then great and they deserve the recognition for it.

Mac users no longer have to cheer for the demise of MS in order for Apple to thrive and be prosperous. The attitude of MDN writers is repulsive and I understand now why PC users can't stand to interact with us.

I will continue to be a loyal Mac user and consumer but will not prescribe to the views and attitudes that currently dominate the community.

I will delete MDN from my bookmarks and will not return. It's a shame because it was part of my daily routine. Thanks for all the info over the years MDN.

and if you're looking for and all mac news site like MDN then try http://www.macsurfer.com no negative bullshit there.

Oct 09, 09 - 12:44 pm Comment from: Road Warrior

Mossberg is smart" "I can heartily recommend Windows 7 to mainstream consumers."

Remember folks, it is actually better that the mainstream stays on Windows. You want more indians than chiefs.

I'd like to know why that whenever we here at MDN get chastised into seeing that it is necessary for Apple to have competition that it always seems the ONLY solution to that delemma can be answered by Windows?

Why not Linux?

Can't MS just die so that others can live?

FWIW, Mac users have VALID reasons to dislike MS. Do a little investigating, and you will earn rich rewards.

Buh-bye.

It's amusing how the Mac fan base is suddenly ruffled. Windows 7 is actually a damn good OS, as any of you would know if you actually bothered to use the damn thing instead of buying into MDN progaganda. And it's not just Mossberg (so stop blaming the WSJ lol).

One review makes a successful release.

M$ products are second rate and that's on a good day.

I am surprised anyone here really cares about Winblows 7. The only value M$ has for me is the bald halfwit in charge, he makes me laugh.....

A smoking gun indeed.

I feel sorry for Walt really.

But much less so than I would have a while back, now that Rupert Murdoch owns the WSJ.

@exposed,

you think the Mac fan base is ruffled do you?

mmm. that follows if you are silly enough to describe Windows 7 as a 'damn good os'.

We went through all of this with Vista. History is rewriting itself. You'll see.

MDN called the Waaahmbulance because Uncle Walt didn't pan W7 with the same fervor that he praises Apple products?

Talk about living up to the Macolyte stereotype.

Oct 09, 09 - 01:30 pm Comment from: derekcurrie

' It doesn’t hurt that he works for the most respected financial newspaper on the planet," Steinberg writes.'

Mossberg writes for what WAS once the most respected financial newspaper. That died shortly after Rupert Murdoch started pulling his usual distortion and deconstruction job on it. Keep in mind that Murdoch invented both 'Tits on page 3' UK trash tabloids and FuxNews, the USA Neo-Con-Job political propaganda HATE MEDIA sewer.

As for Walt Mossberg, he never has been a technology expert, and he has even admitted it. He was one of the chief authors of anti-Apple journalism during the chic Apple bashing era of 1995 through 1998. Thankfully he got a clue and actually learned about Mac technology thereafter, and has been a chief proponent of dumping Windows.

That Mr. Mossberg exaggerates Windows game of Mac OS X catch up is not surprising, particularlly now that he is forced to work for Murdoch marketing machine. How could one not expect he has been under pressure to kiss the Windows pain.

An example of FuxNews style distortion: Why Mr. Mossberg believes anyone ever said Mac OS X is "bulletproof" is beyond my comprehension. That line is pure anti-Mac myth making.

In one respect Mr. Mossberg is correct. 7ista repairs several Vista blunders that do indeed help close the huge lag behind Mac OS X. And it is also fair to say that there are elements of 7ista that surpass Mac OS X. Mossberg missed one of them: With a shotgun held to their head, Microsoft have enacted some superior security strategies to help deter their reputation for having the most insecure commerical operating system on the planet.

I like reading Mr. Mossberg's work, even when he's blundered. It is another point of view. It is up to each of us to inform ourselves of the facts rather than relying strictly upon any one person's critique of anything.

I just wish Mr. Mossberg was entirely free to say anything he personally pleases. I have have no expectation of truth in publishing from any Murdoch media venture. Sad times.
(;_;)

Oct 09, 09 - 02:02 pm Comment from: derekcurrie

IHateThatCompany sez: "Can't MS just die so that others can live?"

What is required for any human business system to work is competition. From that point of view, having Windows around is good for Mac.

What is required of MS is to stop damaging the computer community and end the current dark age of computing. The easy method of course is to delete MS from existance. The beneficial effect would be immediate.

However, MS could actually join in with efforts to improve computing. It would take a radically restructured company, with its current anti-innovation culture overthrown via an internal revolution. Considering the lingering legacy of Bill Gates, this is highly unlikely. But I have to point out that there are some superbly innovative bits of technology in 7ista, which to me is shocking and unexpected. I hold out hope that MS could in the future be an actual benefit to mankind. It could happen!

In the meantime, bashing MS, using facts to counter MS distortion, is a most honorable endevour. It is part of the competitive process and in this case is entirely deserved.

I wonder how many of you ripping on Windows 7 have actually used it, or are just lashing out in typical fan-boy fashion because it's from Microsoft. Probably not many...

It's obvious that Walt is on the M$ payroll.

Oct 09, 09 - 02:12 pm Comment from: thethirdshoe

Walt, Walt, Walt. (shakes head in disappointment and puzzlement)

I like the puppet. SHUDDUP!

Oct 09, 09 - 02:24 pm Comment from: Galloway

The decrease in Suck % between Windows Vista and Windows 7 is a rounding error.

Oct 09, 09 - 02:34 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

@ Amused,

I'm sure the number of people here who have actually used Windows 7 is about as low a percentage as the Windows users on other sites who rip on the Mac.

It's childish behavior, but gives everyone something to feel superior about. What can ya do?

Oct 09, 09 - 02:43 pm Comment from: Jubei

Look at it this way kids. If you laid your best, roundest, longest poop ever. You can announce "thats the best poop ever". Doesn't mean its better than a scoop of delicious chocolate ice cream.

Thats what he means with Windows 7. Best Poop Ever to come out of MS to date. There you go.

Ethical journalism is an oxymoron.

Oct 09, 09 - 02:52 pm Comment from: Mac-nugget

Everything put aside, I'm with MDN take today. Windows does rot over time.

"MDN called the Waaahmbulance because Uncle Walt didn't pan W7 with the same fervor that he praises Apple products? "

MDN is pointing out that Uncle Walt has no credibility left when it comes to reviewing Windows. We're talking about a man who wrote:

"After months of testing Vista on multiple computers, new and old, I believe it is the best version of Windows that Microsoft has produced."

If anybody says they can take his review of W7 at face value after seeing that quote, I'll show you a liar. Either that, or somebody who was living under a rock during the whole Vista fiasco.

@gooner4ever
"It's obvious that Walt is on the M$ payroll."

I think it's more likely that WSJ is in Microsoft's pocket, and poor Walt is pressured to tow the line whenever a new Windows comes down the pike.

"I believe it is the best version of Windows Microsoft has produced."

That does not mean it is actually a good product when compared to offerings from other companies...

I hope the review cleared the mortgage

After watching the 8 minute review, I felt that Walt concluded it was ok but far short of great. It is, after all, still a Windows operating system, a royal pain to upgrade from W/98, and in time the flaws will be revealed.

Dekekcurrie,

Thanks for your considered answer to my question: If it is necessary for Apple to have competition, why is it that it always seems that the ONLY solution to that delemma can be answered by Windows? Why not Linux?

Then you offered...What is required of MS is to stop damaging the computer community and end the current dark age of computing.

As I've said in many posts here. MS can't change. MS won't change. MS doesn't want to either. It's in their nature, to be the way that they are. Changing the guard won't change how they behave. You know this.

I know that it may sound Woowoo, but let MS die. Let any good energy move on to companies that can 'innovate' and want to 'compete'.

How many more years will MS promise to stop bullying, before people realize that MS is a bully. I'm not so small to hate a scorpion for being a scorpion, but I'm also awake enough to know that if I get near a scorpion — I WILL get stung.

After 34 years of MS stinging its 'partners', are you honestly naive enough to actually believe that MS has it in them to 'stop damaging the computer community' and to 'actually join in with efforts to improve computing'?

I know the places where MS goes. I avoid them.

Oct 09, 09 - 04:36 pm Comment from: Zeke

"I believe it is the best version of Windows Microsoft has produced."

Another classic in the same vein would be:

"For a fat girl, you sure don't sweat much."

I think uncle Walt found a way to sound positive without actually blatantly lying. When a toddler walks across the room and falls down only once it's a great accomplishment. If a pro athlete does the same it's not so great. Microsoft is working against a very low benchmark when compared to its past efforts.

Oct 09, 09 - 04:51 pm Comment from: ken1w

> I believe it is the best version of Windows that Microsoft has produced.

Windows 7 probably is the best version of Windows. That's not saying too much; the previous "best version" of Windows is probably Windows XP.

Oct 09, 09 - 05:28 pm Comment from: Brulek

WTF is Mossberg anyway? Mossberg = microsh*t stooge. How much money to microsh*t chuck at the wall street journal in advertsing? He's their bitch alright. The dean of tech, what crap. Stupid, stupid old man. Windoze 7 = another POS.

Oct 09, 09 - 06:03 pm Comment from: montex

When the PPC G3 came out, it was "The Fastest Mac Ever" according to MacWorld. Later, the G4 was TFME. After that came the Core Duo and the Core 2 Duo processors, both declared TFME.

The point is, technology evolves. Now to criticize Mossberg for calling Vista the "best Windows Microsoft has produced" and then doing so with Windows 7 is not inconsistent or in-genuine. Both probably were the best at the time.

So stop picking on Uncle Walt, betches!

Oct 09, 09 - 06:15 pm Comment from: DeRS

"It doesn’t hurt that he works for the most respected financial newspaper on the planet,"

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It really hurts, because WSJ is one of the most biased, brainwashing, Orwellian type propagandistic machine.

Yeah, but at the time the PPC G4 really WAS the fastest Mac.

At the time Walt reviewed Vista, it was a pile of crap and XP mopped the floor with it, even as lame as XP was.

Oct 09, 09 - 10:02 pm Comment from: nekogami13

I used vista, I have windows 7.
I see no difference in performance.

Why would I?
All windows seven is is cleaned up vista-not groundbbreaking new tech, same guts as vista.
New OS-same problems(registry, bloat, etc.)