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May 26, 09 - 11:44 am Comment from: Predrag

There was a guy appearing on these boards in recent discussions related to Psystar news bits who claimed to own one of their machines.

I wonder how much support he expect to receive from them now... I guess he got exactly what he paid for.

Dell and Microsoft will still be exposed on June 5th.

Hopefully those staunch Psystar defenders will be along to explain why buying ugly PC knock-offs from a fly-by-night company is a better long-term investment than paying the extra money to buy a well-designed, well-supported machine from Apple instead.

May 26, 09 - 11:49 am Comment from: Predrag

I have a feeling that those financial "friends" of Psystar will somehow remain untouchable and anonymous, even with the bankruptcy proceedings. The owners of the business may end up in contempt of court, or charged for improper bookkeeping or something of that nature, as it seems that they were already unable to produce any meaningful documentation regarding their sales and other financials. These guys simply didn't have a clue how a business should be run. They'll end up losing everything they made and possibly (actually, likely) even do time.

May 26, 09 - 11:50 am Comment from: Think

@ Gabriel

It's that small group that want to take the cover off and play with the jumpers.

May 26, 09 - 11:52 am Comment from: Jubei

@R2

LOL... yeah I can't wait to see who the real financial backer are for these crooks.

May 26, 09 - 11:52 am Comment from: HMCIV

Well that worked out well. Maybe they should sue Apple for excessive legal costs.

May 26, 09 - 11:55 am Comment from: MacSheikh

Checkmate!

@ Predrag

Actually, I own TWO Psystar desktop systems and I worry not for support because these blazing machines run flawlessly. Psystar makes top notch high quality hardware.

May 26, 09 - 11:56 am Comment from: R

Delaying some inevitable pain.

No problem, Pystar moved just moved operations to Russia.

Back in business.

May 26, 09 - 12:11 pm Comment from: Harvey

This is not good news, because it means that the court won't rule at all, let alone in favor of Apple.

May 26, 09 - 12:21 pm Comment from: Predrag

"Psystar makes top notch high quality hardware.

Even if they ever did, they no longer do. I wonder, though, if the next Leopard update breaks your OS, what will happen. Normally, I'd call Apple, but I have a real Mac; you won't have anyone to call. Therefore, you'll have to be wasting your own time for that. I don't know what amount of money you make, but if I were a Psystar owner, in two hours of tinkering with the kernel in order to make it work again, I'd probably have lost more money not earned than what the computer was worth when I bought it.

Then again, you may be working the McDonalds counter, so your time is relatively cheaper; you'd have to waste entire workday on fixing that Psystar before it becomes more expensive than a real Mac.

Problem however if Dell or Microsoft were behind it they could of setup another smaller company to act as an indie investor for Pystar. So you would truly never know.

May 26, 09 - 12:24 pm Comment from: Predrag

Howard,

While the Psystar concept may have gone there, the Pedraza Bros. are staying in Florida. As a matter of fact, when all is said and done, they may be even staying rent-free, courtesy of State of Florida Dept. of Corrections...

May 26, 09 - 12:26 pm Comment from: Predrag

Dogtown

..."if Dell or Microsoft were behind it they could of setup another smaller company"...

Make that:

...if Dell or Microsoft were behind it, they could have setup another smaller company...

Took me some time to figure out what did the sentence mean...

May 26, 09 - 12:29 pm Comment from: Anonymous©

Is it just me, or did Shyster know that they were going to thumb their noses at Apple by filing this bankruptcy proceeding?

May 26, 09 - 12:31 pm Comment from: Grigori

I'm hearing a Fats Domino song in my head right now. . . care to guess which one?

May 26, 09 - 12:34 pm Comment from: Predrag

The "Shyster" guys may think they're going to thumb their noses at Apple with the bankruptcy. What they did, though, is bought themselves just a few weeks' worth of time before it resumes, and resume it will, and quickly. Only this time, much more will be revealed, due to the bankruptcy proceedings. A fitting end to a way too long saga.

@ Predrag

In over 20 years of owning a Mac, I've only updated the OS ONE time, (System 7.5). So I dont worry about your pathetic scenario. My top notch, high quality Psystar hardware is good to go for the duration.

I'll get the new version of OS X when I need a new mac, and not before. Psystar, or some other company will be around filling my hardware needs that Apple refuses to make.

May 26, 09 - 12:50 pm Comment from: Predrag

Leopard had 7 major updates since it came out (about 18 months ago) and several other security fixes. Unless that hardware of yours is located at an isolated island in Pacific, without a network connection, you simply must update the OS whenever the update is available. To not do that is simply foolish.

Apparently, Apple is quite capable of filling hardware needs of literally all Mac users out there (the minuscule number of Psystar users notwithstanding). All you need is the appropriate amount of cash (or equivalent financial instrument).

May 26, 09 - 12:56 pm Comment from: gagravaar

Hear that noise? That's the sound of papers being shredded.

This is a last resort by their backers, so that they can make a clean exit.

They're scum, backed by scum, and all of this stinks.

@ rattymouse

you are a swine with an unreliable joke of a PC. Yes, just a garden variety low quality PC. If you want to tinker, go ahead, but dont expect Mac enthusiasts to join the bandwagon dipstick.

Mac is a hardware and software platform.

You know who spends all their time trying to get the right things, do the right things? Criminals. They could work and get paid, but instead they will go out of their way to scheme and plan and basically waste their time and jeopardize their future.

Pystar is for tinkerers. And for that matter, if you want to Tinker, just buy some PC parts and build a PC even cheaper than a Pystar. What a joke. No value, no innovation, and now, no more company. Wake up and smell the roses. The hardware/software platform is back with a vengeance. People want things that, well, just work. They dont want stuff thats cobbled together from two bit hacks who cant make a legit living, so they try and build "mac"-compatible PCs. What a joke. Is this what our culture is about? Don't innovate? Don't create? Eveyone for themselves in a mad dash for cash? Sad.

Although following this story is like having my favourite soap opera airing one episode every 3 weeks, it's still fun!

Yeah, great tactic!
Psystar will just keep throwing up legal barriers until this small company (what's the name again, some fruit, ... "Apple" is it?) can no longer afford the legal fees, and this "Apple" will have to give up!

Yeah!

I used to work at Pystar until 3 months ago. I was laid off. Our PCs are just really basic with ultra cheap cases. Nothing special. Our sales have not been good because we would not pay our parts distributors. They had us on credit card terms and my bosses ran out of money. The whole thing started basically in an apartment and then within a day or two of getting publicity, we were quickly moved into an office building of sorts. It was all for show. There was really nothing behind our website. Just some bare bones PCs put together by a couple people with limited skills. Not sure why this became so important to the public, but anyways, thats the story. And I am not rattymouse.

May 26, 09 - 01:05 pm Comment from: Predrag

In a way, Psystar was no different than those Russian warez sites. You pay some $30 or so, they let you download Adobe Photoshop. You could have probably downloaded the same file for free from those file sharing / bit torrent places, and it would have been just as illegal.

Much like the hackintosh movement; you can either build your own, or pay someone to build it for you. In the end, it steals the IP from Apple just the same.

I used to work at Pystar too. We had one customer: rattymouse. He bought 2 PCs and then called to complain about his rinky dinky parts failures on a daily basis. What did he expect? we sold junk and he bought into it hook, line and sinker. As if other companies will "meet his needs" when Pystar is down for the count? What needs? Of selling junk or being illegal? Rattymouse is a rat all right, and a dirty one at that. Cheers

May 26, 09 - 01:18 pm Comment from: jtc

@Former Pystar Employee

I wonder who is gonna believe any of which you are saying.....

May 26, 09 - 01:22 pm Comment from: LordRobin

LOL @ Rattymouse: "My top notch, high quality Psystar hardware is good to go for the duration."

Nobody writes like that. Nobody. This jerk is either a paid Psystar shill or a troll.

I mean, c'mon!! He never upgrades his OS?? What kind of a Mac enthusiast never upgrades? And if he's not a Mac enthusiast, what the hell is he doing religiously reading MDN, seeking out Psystar threads (and only Psystar threads)?

You're a fake, Rattymouse. Only a blind man couldn't see it.

------RM

May 26, 09 - 01:23 pm Comment from: Think

@ jtc

I's on the Internet, it must be TRUE.

May 26, 09 - 01:32 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

LordRobin,

"Nobody writes like that. Nobody."

Oh, I dunno, in a way that sentence sounded a bit like something ZuneTang would say.

May 26, 09 - 01:35 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

Don't worry Rattymouse/rattymouse, you can always put Windows 7 on them. In fact, you could try the free Release Candidate right now. It's rather interesting.

May 26, 09 - 03:14 pm Comment from: Hm...

@ Rattymouse,

If you're trying to be the ZuneTang of Psystar, you'll need to work on your humor, especially on the irony. Your posts can't emulate their products/service and still be entertaining.

May 26, 09 - 03:20 pm Comment from: CYxodus

@Rattymouse

How come you're the only one here that claims to own a Psystar computer? Matter of fact, you're the only Psystar supporter I have even heard of.

The fact is that you're just a Windoze troll who is doing this in a vain attempt to aggravate Mac users. At first I thought you were connected with Psystar but your cover was blown the moment they declared bankruptcy.

Get lost troll.

@CYxodus

It was funny while it lasted. =p

Predrag
"Make that:

...if Dell or Microsoft were behind it, they could have setup another smaller company...

Took me some time to figure out what did the sentence mean..."

Possibly it did. I had no difficulty figuring it out. But if you are going to chide people for their English, make sure yours is good. For one thing, it would be "...could have set up..." ("setup" is a noun. "set up" is a verb form.) Second, "...what the sentence means..." is one of several possibilities. Your way is wrong.

May 26, 09 - 03:26 pm Comment from: CYxodus

I posted the above message from Rattymouse (03:23 pm) to prove that unless the user is registered, anyone can pretend to be Rattymouse.

Get lost troll(s).

May 26, 09 - 04:00 pm Comment from: Predrag

Abraham Bainbridge:

Thanks for correcting my English; I should have (not should of) seen those while typing them. MDN doesn't allow editing after posting, unfortunately. I could possibly have an excuse, since English is not my mother tongue and I only started learning it at the age of 13. I'm still not convinced you're right and I was wrong on the last one, though.

As for the subject at hand (Psystar, as well as rattymouse), They are both more-or-less history at this point.

May 26, 09 - 05:04 pm Comment from: Anonymous©

I'm Spartacus! No, I'm Spartacus!

@ douturf

If Apple made a desktop Mac that didnt have a monitor attached to it, I'd buy it in a heart beat. Apple doesnt so I gave my money to Psystar. Now I have TWO top notch, high quality desktops. Poor Apple, they had me then they lost me.

And you can forget about the Mac Mini or Mac Pro. NOT AN OPTION.

@ LordRobin

You're blind sir because I post at other MDN threads.

@ CYxodus

You are nuts. I hate windoze and would never use it. If for some reason my Psystar was bricked, I'd load it up with Linux. However, it is not bricked but is in fact, running OS X now! Leopard!

This post was produced on Psystar hardware!

May 26, 09 - 05:34 pm Comment from: Predrag

Absolutely nothing wrong with Mac mini. Getting Shyster hardware instead of the Mini is simply rationalising something that is essentially theft. They aren't really all that different, performance-wise, as much as you would want to make yourself believe that they are.

There really is no valid excuse for buying any kind of computer for Psystar (make that: "there really was..."; no more anyway).

These fly-by-night operators will probably pop up here and there every once in a while. If Psystar saga is any indication, they won't last long.

If you don't like any of Apple's offerings, you can always slap some Linux distro on some generic hardware (if you so hate Windows). Vote with your dollars. And no, IP theft doesn't count.

All I can say is : woot!
Okay and doing ::happy dance::

As long as clones don't threaten Apple's business model, they can make all their real money on hardware and we won't have to deal with all the licensing bs you have to on Windows platforms.

And there can be just one version of OSX etc. etc.

woot!

or as the MW says...
yes!

I fear the wheels of Justice will be too slow to catch those with the money behind Pystar.

We may NEVER know who, if anyone, helped bankroll Psystar's defense case against Apple. In filing for bankruptcy Psystar has more or less conceded defeat and this may lessen the desire for Apple to continue the case since pursuing it would mean that Apple will get only pennies on the dollar from Psystar and even higher legal bills if it continues to pursue the case to the end. This almost seems like a sleezy conspiracy with some unknown corporate rival(s) to take the case as far as possible just to make Apple pay as much money in legal bills. It wouldn't surprise me if Apple and Psystar were to cut a deal before June 5th outlining how much Apple will get in damages in exchange for NOT publicly releasing who, if anyone, colluded with Psystar in this legal case.

May 26, 09 - 07:58 pm Comment from: knowhowe

Bankrupt or not, their website is still up and apparently trading.

May 26, 09 - 08:34 pm Comment from: Sir Gill Bates

"Bankrupt or not, their website is still up and apparently trading."

Hey, maybe Rattymouse has time to get a couple more before they fold! Get 'em while they're hot!

@ Predrag

You are insane. The Mac Mini is NOT an option. I need MORE than 2.0 Ghz and need at least 500 gigs of internal storage that spins at 7200 RPMs. My Psystar systems cost only slightly more than the Mac Mini's and DESTROY them in terms of performance.