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Welcome.... it's a beautiful thing. Just surprised the price was the same.... thought people were bashing it for being priced higher than anything else.

Mar 24, 08 - 09:08 am Comment from: silverhawk

Matt must like banner ads and jumping bunnies for his full-blown internet experience.

Mar 24, 08 - 09:08 am Comment from: HMCIV

"breeding lower-end devices"?

Unless Apple has an "iPhone Shuffle" in the works, I think the only direction we can go from here is up, while the only direction current lower end devices can go is OUT.

You missed the best comment in his article..............

"My Blackberry-to-Mac sync has been hit or miss for the past year (though I've been testing a beta of the new PocketMac and it is quite good) and I'm fed up."

A new Pocket Mac is coming?

Mar 24, 08 - 09:26 am Comment from: IEEE1394®

@ MacDailyNews Take: Many people will be shocked at how quickly RIM's Blackberry is supplanted by Apple's iPhone.

And yet, many will not.

"iphone bitch!!!"

Mar 24, 08 - 09:37 am Comment from: Spark

"A new Pocket Mac is coming?"

I suspect that is 3rd party software for syncing; like Missing Sync.

So he walked in for a rim job...

Mar 24, 08 - 09:48 am Comment from: IEEE1394®

@LiM
So he walked in for a rim job...

...and walked out feeling-up the hot new beyotch!

iPhone Beyotch!

Wow, you mean that Mac Heads are buying iPhones. Who would of thunk it.

Just my $0.02

the blackberry is a toy compared to the iPhone. It's like comparing a palm pilot to a laptop.

Mar 24, 08 - 09:57 am Comment from: TowerTone

Deliberated for all of three seconds?
What took so long?...

MacDailyNews Take: Many people will be shocked at how quickly RIM's Blackberry is supplanted by Apple's iPhone.

comedy, pure comedy. everyone on this board will be shocked how much RIM's platform grows in the coming years. it's not a binary one or the other. i guess you guys will never see that given the size of the market, and the fact that you are blinded by fanboyism. but a rational person will watch the number of devices both companies sell in the coming years. flame away.

Mar 24, 08 - 10:07 am Comment from: ken1w

You mean the "too expensive to be successful" iPhone costs the same as a Blackberry device. I'm shocked...!

Mar 24, 08 - 10:14 am Comment from: Sixvodkas

Poor crazylegs... living in denial is such an ugly, ugly thing.
The thing is, we HAVE seen the sales figures and the iPhone is already eating into RIM's market share like there's no tomorrow.
Coupled with the fact that the iPhone is what, one year old? it's mightily impressive that iPhone has surpassed the "all others" category, too.
Then again, rational people look at actual numbers and figures and aren't frightened nor resentful of them.

Mar 24, 08 - 10:15 am Comment from: ken1w

> everyone on this board will be shocked how much RIM's platform grows in the coming years.

Sure, RIM's Blackberry will grow. Apple's iPhone will just grow faster (as it has been since introduction).

Mar 24, 08 - 10:18 am Comment from: effwerd

Don't assume lower end devices can't compete just because Apple has patents on multitouch and gestural interfaces. If lower end manufacturers can get it through their retarded heads that the interface and the overall experience are key to making a functional and attractive product, things will come along. You can still have a touch screen phone and not have to use multitouch. Also, licensing these "patents" may be a possibility if Apple never tries for the low end market. Sure, these are big ifs but it's still within the realm of possibility, especially outside the US.

sixvodkas - great response! april 2 will be interesting when RIM reports again. RIM just upped their guidance and will add over 2 million new subs in the last quarter. yup, iphone is really eating into sales...

by the way, iphone is the absolute best platform out there without a doubt BUT you guys need to recognize the market is too vast for a single player and the pie is growing quickly. this is my only point.

Mar 24, 08 - 10:27 am Comment from: ahcas

@ldrhawke

You missed the best comment in his article..............

"My Blackberry-to-Mac sync has been hit or miss for the past year (though I've been testing a beta of the new PocketMac and it is quite good) and I'm fed up."

A new Pocket Mac is coming?

PocketMac is Blackberry's own Blackberry-to-Mac sync software, not another hardware device!

He should have gone to France where he could have bought an legally unlocked iPhone which then could be used anywhere in the world with a local SIM card and not have to pay the exorbitant international roaming charges.

Mar 24, 08 - 10:40 am Comment from: DogGone

I thought the best comment was the multiple use of the word "inevitable".

He gets it. Apple is changing everything...again....just like the did with the Mac, then the iPod, then with OSX and now with the iPhone and its derivatives.

@ Crazylegs: Absolutely correct.

@ Sixvodkas: I guess after Sixvodkas, you are likely to spew crap. Apple hasn't eaten into Rim's marketshare. Rim is growing. Duh. Apple has eaten into the Motorola's, Palm's, Nokia's and Sony's marketshare.....

Mar 24, 08 - 10:44 am Comment from: s

"Sure, RIM's Blackberry will grow. Apple's iPhone will just grow faster "
Yes, RIM will grow as fast as DEC did after the introduction of IBM PC.

He could have gone to France - and why not?

However, as unlocking is a 3 minute process for free, why bother?

Mar 24, 08 - 10:55 am Comment from: Cubert

To settle the bickering, iPhone is causing the smart phone market to be consolidated into only 2 devices - the iPhone and the Crackberry. Look at the mp3 market now after several years of iPod domination. I think it will take a long time for the iPhone to overtake RIM in pure numbers just because of the number of Crackberrys already sold. BUT, by the start of 2009, there will be more iPhones sold per quarter than Crackberrys.

iCal it beotch!!!

Mar 24, 08 - 11:02 am Comment from: DLMeyer

s, don't go talking about DEC unless you were there. They had the technology - you still use some of it to post to this board - but they failed to market it.
crazylegs is right ... sort of. We, here, will be quite surprised to see the Blackberry continue to grow - totals sold, if not market share. OK, nothing at all like the rate that the iPhone will grow, but we expect the market to fold in front of the iPhone onslaught. It will be a year or so (from introduction) before the iPhone starts to take significant sales from the Blackberry. Certainly not before the SDK is widely established, or 3G.

Mar 24, 08 - 11:21 am Comment from: Jubei

Thats the best part of the sell. Once you try it, you just can't see yourself going back to the dark ages with other devices. iPhone/Touch is Star Trek/2001/ in your hands today.

Mar 24, 08 - 11:28 am Comment from: shen

DLMeyer: a lot of people here will be shocked, yes, but not everyone.

i will take your comment further and say it will be closer to 2 years before the iPhone takes significant sales from crackberry. but the writing is already on the wall. the iPhone is better in almost every way. and that is pre-SDK. in 6 months or so people will marvel at what the iPhone can do compared to what it could do, in the same way they marvel at it compared to cheap nokia crap now.

RIM has about 16 months to make a SIGNIFICANTLY better device than what they are currently selling. if they don't, it will be a long battle, but it will be a long rearguard battle. the other companies have already lost, they just don't know it yet...

The evidence of what Jobs said that the iPhone is 5 years beyond everyone else is becoming more apparent each day...just wait for the next device or software release...the leapfrog effect will only become exponential...get on the bandwagon while you still can. ...and buy AAPL..the iPhone by years end will be a cult that redefines the Blackberry user cult.

Blue Dream,

exactly!

I believe that by the end of the year (post SDK) the iPhone will be hot on Blackberry's heels.

In 2009 it will overtake it.

Wow!

AAPL up nearly six dollars!

Mar 24, 08 - 12:10 pm Comment from: Big Al

Let's be realistic.

The iPhone's target market does have some overlap with the Blackberry's target market. The iPhone appeals to every cell phone user. The Blackberry appeals to business users and, with it's more compact models, text message-a-holics.

The Blackberry will not lose all of it's business users overnight.

The iPhone, with it's lower 'over the life of the contract' price and it's 'games and other goodies to come' potential will eventually win many, many people over.

In 2 to 4 years, it will be no contest.

I'm holding out for the 10" iPhone Notepad.

I always wanted a 10 incher.

It amazes me that people don't see what is happening. Apple is going to eat the Mobile players' lunch. I'm sure RIM will continue to have a profitable existence for some years, but right now they have no answers to Apple's onslaught on the business market from above and Apple's onslaught on the gaming market from below. And neither does Sony, Nokia, MS, Motorola or anyone else.

Once the SDK is loose and a second generation phone comes out, it will be all but over.

Big Al,

"In 2 to 4 years, it will be no contest."

I agree, but believe that it will be more like 1 to 2 years.

Just about the only tech stock NOT participating in today's market rally is M$FT.
HA HA!!

In my view the Blackberry's cult success was 3 to 5 years ago.

Everyone joining it today are laggards, followers and behind the times.

Mar 24, 08 - 12:37 pm Comment from: Big Al

@ Gavron,

I to 2 years for the USA maybe.

The iPhone is only legally sold in a very small percentage of the world's cell phone markets. The Blackberry is sold almost everywhere.

Mar 24, 08 - 04:19 pm Comment from: kikamouse

@ crazylegs
First off thank you. You present your opinion in an insightful and precise manner.
Second I am not sure I agree with you. According to Gartner, as a result of devices like the iPhone (the smart phone market) there are more dollars spent on Cell phone hardware. That being said, what is so exiting about the iPhone is how it knocked all the complacent companies into action. It is too bad that most hardware developers just push more crap to the market. In the US, this revitalized the cell phone market into something that rivals device functionality in Japan and Europe (combined, the largest cell phone market in the world) In the US, the cell phone manufacturers are crippled by what the Cellular companies want from then; cheap low cost handsets with minimal functionality. Then, because of the contractual obligations these companies force on the consumer, there is less turnover and less demand for truly innovative products. With the iPhone on the market, Handset manufacturers in the US are now forced to sell their cell phones based on old fashioned retail rather than tying a consumer to a particular company and handset because of subsidizing. I believe the iPhone pushes more money into the Cell phone market and drives innovation to other handset manufacturers. They can either innovate or go out of business. That is only advantageous to consumers. I love it. Bring on the iPhone!!!!!!!!

I doubt there will be any stripped-down mini iPhones. I don't think phones are among the devices apple would want to sell, except as stop-gap between now and the time when cell networks with all their crap no longer exist, in order to sell more iPods, which is what the iPhone is really.

Mar 24, 08 - 07:22 pm Comment from: Olmecmystic

Synthmeister, you forgot something...the global rollout of the iPhone.

Right now, it's in America and Europe; that's it. The SDK + 3G + global market exposure = checkmate.

iPhone, bee-yotch!

Peace.
Olmecmystic

Mar 24, 08 - 08:48 pm Comment from: Crazylegs

@kikamouse - glad there is some rational thought here. both platforms should just kill it in the coming years. the next data point is on April 2 when rim reports and I bet they have a huge quarter to report and guide up big. the reason? the smartphone market is just beginning to explode.

rim's value isn't in their device the way iphone is, it's in their service. the uninformed and emotionally charged here will tell you it can be replicated easily with exchange/lotus integration and a few IT admin utilities. that is simply ignorant and further study of rim's architecture is required. do you think any large corporation wants to open their firewall up to incoming pings from the device? absolutely not. large enterprise is rim's game. small and medium sized businesses and consumers are up for grabs realistically. here, personal choice of what works better for the individual will always win out.

I'm significantly invested in each (and have been for the past 2 years) and actually study the companies to get a feel where they are headed. the case for the demise of rim in the next 3 to 5 years is just dumb when one looks at the total market. they will innovate, don't worry, and so will Apple, and at the end of the day, both will do extremely well. if you guys are so sure of rim's demise, why not short the heck out of their stock? i have my money where my mouth is, why not do the same and short, short, short rimm. if what you believe comes true you will be rich!!!

I'm anxious to hear from all 3 of the Blackberry to iPhone users. No, really. Also, I would love to see someone typing faster on an iPhone than a BB 8800. Now,in related news, I have an iPod touch since about September and it's quite okay as a music and video player. Yes, it has some ridiculous GUI faux-pas (rewind 15 secs in a 2hr video anyone? or what about the ridiculous coverflow function that only handles albums? Or the fact that coverflow only works with the full library as opposed to the very playlist you're in? or the truncating of track or album names...or the lack of audio track or podcast info...or the lack of cross fades...or the lack of downloading podcasts...or the lack of disk mode...or the fact that it gets very fragmented and sluggish when filled up with video material and needs a full reset) but maybe it's still somewhat above the average player out there. But when it comes to typing fast on this thing - compared to a 8800? Please.

My neighbor's company has dumped 25 blackberries for iPhones and they are very happy about it.

Mar 24, 08 - 11:57 pm Comment from: cogitoergomac

Totally gave up my BB for my iPhone. I ran with both for a while, and even though my employer supplies the BB, it exists solely to forward calls to my iPhone. Visto Mobile makes the Exchange side work, and it all just works.

Mar 25, 08 - 03:58 am Comment from: kikamouse

@Cracylegs-
Good point. Also, understand, many of us Mac Fanatics (I am absolutely one of them!) For so long, as a group of people, were looked upon as freaks or burnt out hippies that are just rebelling against The status quo. This "Time of the iPhone" is almost like a trumpet yelling out to the masses "I told you so!!" and most of us take advantage of that since for so long Apple has been a genuinely good company but became complacent in their success back in the 90's. I am saying these things just to maybe get a little understanding of why many of us Mac users have such a zeal for exclusive success in the iPhone. In all honesty , I and I can safely say many mac users welcome honest competition in the market and RIM obviously has a position to dominate the market. I hope RIM continues on its path it is taking to make some innovative products. What bothers people like me are the companies that come out with a mediocre product touting it as the best product available (great example is M$) and at best it is functional for short periods of time. Clients of mine are firm on RIM because they tell me that it is a stable reliable product for their enterprise needs. Wonderful! If RIM continues, it'll prevent complacency in the mobile smartphone market and come out continuously with truly innovative top notch products. In the US, most people don't realize what products are available outside of the US and what services are available with great mobile handsets. I think the iPhone helped spur the interest in higher end mobile phones. Now, when people walk into an AT&T;store, they can get an OK free phone, or spend a few hundred dollars and get a fantastic smart phone like the iPhone and get so much more than just a subsidized phone. Once again, I really hope RIM succeeds. More good competitors with genuinely good products will only benefit consumers. not only with more choices but more competition to come out with progressively good and improved products. Not polishing the same product and splash a different color on it. I'll look into RIM's stock to get rich quick

Fantastic, all of a sudden the MDN boards is crowded with ex Blackberry users who switched to iPhone. An of course, the classical "I'm working for a fortune 500 company and..." or "my neighbour's company..." . Double yawn.

My best friendsa sister has a boyfriend whos brother in law runs a huge very creativa and important company. The whola staff (about 6000 people) switchd from them lama blackberry phones to iPhones becausa the easa of typing on the iphone. Now their productivity rates are up by 630% and they're so happy they decide to found a religion based on the iPhone interface.