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CNBC’s primary network storage?  Apple Xserves with dual 15TB Xserve RAIDs and Apple Xsan
Thursday, December 20, 2007 - 09:39 AM EDT

"Last week, I visited CNBC's headquarters in Englewood Cliffs, N.J.," Lucas Mearian blogs for Computerworld.

MacDailyNews Note: Mearian told us all why the iPhone is a ripoff back in January.

"What surprised me as I was touring the IT infrastructure with CNBC's director of digital production and broadcast technology, Gary Kanofsky, and graphics engineer Rich Tallmadge, was one of the broadcast giant's storage area networks. It was an Apple Xsan - one of the few I've come across in my travels. Most corporations simply don't trust Apple enough -- primarily because their infrastructure is Windows and Unix -- to put it in their data center, much less to use it for primary network storage," Mearian writes.

MacDailyNews Note: Actually, Xsan is the SAN file system for Mac OS X Server which is an Open Brand UNIX 03 Registered Product. Mearian was looking at racks of Apple Xserve units which were serving as Xsan metadata controller(s) and/or acting as "NAS heads" (file servers for the shared storage pool) and a grioup of Apple Xserve RAID units which can each currently hold up to 10.5TB of storage.

Mearian continues, "But here was an Xsan in an enterprise that has a data center with 600 racks of equipment supporting hundreds of servers and editing stations and more than six television networks, including MSNBC, Bravo and Sci-Fi. I just have to note that Tallmadge is one of those Apple converts who -- like many of us have experienced at one time or another in our careers -- covertly evangelizes for Steve Jobs, professing the immense usability and effectiveness of Macs over PCs. But while CNBC's graphics design team does mostly use Mac (40 Mac editing stations to be exact), there are a couple of PCs attached to the Xsan, proving that it can indeed support Windows."

MacDailyNews Take: There're a LOT of misconception out there about Apple, obviously. People like Mearian, who don't even know what they're looking at, all have, uh... interesting opinions about Apple and the company's products, usually based on myths and ignorance. They're amazed to see Apple logos on machines doing what they consider to be "real work." They're shocked that the Mac clone-gone-bad "Windows" can network with Macs. They're flabbergasted that someone would choose Apple Macs, Xserves, Xsan, etc. Lucas, you weren't being "covertly evangelized," you were simply waking up when confronted with reality. Surprise! Windows sucks, by the way; always has. And those CNBC'ers who are stuck using those couple of attached PCs are either pissed they can't use Macs or blissfully ignorant accountants. Give it time, Lucas. You'll figure it out soon, probably right after you realize that Xsan is a box of software not rack-mounted hardware.

Mearian continues with something of actual value, a video in which CNBC's Tallmadge shows off CNBC' Apple hardware and discusses why he chose Apple for his primary SAN:

Direct link to the video via YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQByiz1DVOM

Mearian's article is here.

Learn more about Apple's:
Xsan: Enterprise-class storage area network (SAN) solution; share files and volumes up to two petabytes (2PB)
Xserve RAID: Storage solution with up to 10.5TB in 14 hot-swap drives
Xserve: Quad Xeon 64-bit server with with Mac OS X Leopard Server
Mac OS X Leopard Server: A native 64-bit rock solid UNIX foundation upon which you can build a business

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Dec 20, 07 - 11:06 am Comment from: ron

give him a buzz;

Dec 20, 07 - 11:09 am Comment from: Chair Dodger

This is exactly the same mind set I encounter at work every day. If it weren't for me and another guy this school district would probably be a windows shop. My boss has all the paper required for her title, but nearly zero experience, much like the author of this article.

It's a bitch having to work with people who THINK they know what they're doing and getting paid better just because they've sat on their asses and acquired paper certifying they've completed a course in mediocrity and acceptance of low expectations.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:11 am Comment from: Rob

No kidding,

I had few xserves in my firm, I had to restart them only after updates, while my M$ friends restarted their boxes daily: "G: drive will be unavailable for the next 15 minutes, have a nice day and go get your coffee now!, "Productivity" is our motto."

Dec 20, 07 - 11:26 am Comment from: MaLvado

Too bad Apple is a consumer company now. I fear for the Xserve's upgrade path.

Remind Jobs if you get Xserves in there, the clients will follow. Or is this adage old and outdated?

Dec 20, 07 - 11:35 am Comment from: Macromancer

How can someone who is blogging for Computerworld be so technically ignorant?

Oh, wait, blogging. Nevermind.

Blogging = pulse required.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:41 am Comment from: Dialtone

It would be interesting to see Apple pursue a home-server strategy. After a long day at work, IT professionals don't want to spend all weekend debugging the frickin' home network after the family has been pounding on it all week long. And you know how insistent kids and spouses can be when the printer goes down! A no-hassle, iServe would open some eyes at home, just as Macs did for many corporate WinTel users. After a year of "it just works" at home, I can imagine the IT pro saying "well, let's just try one of these in the branch office," and building from there.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:41 am Comment from: SlimJim

Yeh, I got 3 Xserves put into my previous company. I called them about a month ago to see how things were going, and they said they have not had ONE problem at all with them.

Contrast this to their previous setup - a bunch of Win Server 2003 machines, that required so much care they employed someone full time to administer them. Now that guy is working somewhere else, and the company have saved £20,000 a year on his salary.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:48 am Comment from: Teflon Don

Mac Daily News, the propaganda ministers owned in full by Apple Computer.

Your busted. I've been to your offices.

You can't hide from the Teflon Don, we find everybody.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:52 am Comment from: Ampar

Their busted what? Is this about breasts, sculptures or breakage?

Dec 20, 07 - 11:56 am Comment from: shiftOpt k

Kinda bitter-sweet irony that CNBC (or any affiliate of NBC for that matter) uses Apple hardware now-ah-days, huh?

Dec 20, 07 - 12:00 pm Comment from: Macaday

It's tough saying there is a better option in the Soviet Global State of Microsoft. Their apparatchiks are everywhere...

Dec 20, 07 - 12:05 pm Comment from: Randian

The "Teflon Don" didn't actually graduate from grade school, as you can tell from his posting.

Hey, dumbass: "Your" ≠ "You're"

(And don't try to hide behind the "I was in a hurry" bullsh*t. You had enough time to get "I've" and "can't" right. Oh, you might want to look up "comma splice" sometime when you've finished your hourly porn-run. A little grammar, mechanics, and usage review would serve you much better.)

Dec 20, 07 - 12:06 pm Comment from: Zune Tang®

Well that's just great. What this development tells me is I can expect a lot of "We Are Experiencing Technical Difficulties, Please Stand By" notifications on my Dell HDTV in the future when I watch MSNBC. I might have to go back to Fox News. At least they have to good sense to use Windows and support George W. Bush.

Your potential. Our passion.™

Dec 20, 07 - 12:20 pm Comment from: David Andrews

We have a 50TB Apple XSAN here, which we will be adding anther 20 TB to it Q1 2008. Its the easiest SAN I have worked on. Anyone who isn't taking Apple seriously when it comes to enterprise class implementations is missing out!
It just works!

Dec 20, 07 - 12:29 pm Comment from: hmciv

You're take on this is a hit piece MDN! There's *NO* reason for you to be picking on ignorants or accountants like that!

Dec 20, 07 - 12:31 pm Comment from: Ampar

"We have a 50TB Apple XSAN here, which we will be adding anther 20 TB to it Q1 2008."

Be careful. As you get closer to 100 TB, it becomes self-aware.

Dec 20, 07 - 12:34 pm Comment from: Ampar

"At least they have to good sense to use Windows and support George W. Bush."

There's nothing like a surprise test of the gag reflex.

I wonder if the U.S. Department of Homeland Security has upgraded to Vista yet?

Dec 20, 07 - 12:36 pm Comment from: limey

"I might have to go back to Fox News"

Didn't I hear that Fox News recently became an all Mac house?

Can't find the link though...

Dec 20, 07 - 12:44 pm Comment from: informed

I heart (♥) Zune Tang® .

Dec 20, 07 - 12:50 pm Comment from: beforeyouhitsend

Tallmadge refers to it as san in the video.

Dec 20, 07 - 01:02 pm Comment from: LinuxGuyAndMacProdigalSon

Watch for Tallmadge to be fired after Mafiasoft talks to the MSNBC bosses, who then twist the arms of the CNBC bosses.

Dec 20, 07 - 01:28 pm Comment from: jjjj

1) Price

2) Scalability

sweet.

Dec 20, 07 - 02:03 pm Comment from: LorD1776

I remember reading sometime back that Teflon (polytetrafluoroethylene or PTFE) is in just about every creature on earth. It has even been found in Antarctica. That means we are ALL part of Teflon Don; a multi-celled experiment gone horribly wrong. Is that a disgusting thought, or what?

Dec 20, 07 - 02:08 pm Comment from: Ampar

And if you overcook the caramel, you're stuck with tough flan.
A shame really.

Dec 20, 07 - 02:15 pm Comment from: Raymond from DC

We encountered only two issues with our XServe/XRaid over its three years of use: one internal hardware failure (replaced the next day) and one software failure involving NFS sharing of a multi-gigabyte share (fixed in a patch update). But for me as a tech the biggest problem was that it was TOO DAMN RELIABLE. I mean, how can one gain any expertise if the thing just keeps running? Set it up, configure it, go on to something else. What a concept!

I'd consider buying a used Xserve for my home lab just to get more experience with it, but for the issues of noise and its FCC Class A rating.

Personally, I think Apple's got great potential for the back office.

Dec 20, 07 - 02:16 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Randian,

We all make grammatical and punctuation errors once in a while. I know I sure do. No one is perfect; that would be rather scary.
Oh, and recently this site added semi-colons to sentences in a couple of my posts. I know I didn't do it myself. Very strange.

If you want to chastise Teflon Don, do so because he and his father (Dupont Don) have contaminated our planet with their vile chemical essence. Now that's something to get pissed off about.

Dec 20, 07 - 02:18 pm Comment from: LorD1776

Mmmmmm, caramel.

Dec 20, 07 - 02:32 pm Comment from: Ampar

"Oh, and recently this site added semi-colons to sentences in a couple of my posts."

It's the HTML based form's reaction to ampersands.

& = ampersand which is the ampersand symbol followed by the word amp and a semi-colon all as one word.

Here's a handy link:
http://www-sul.stanford.edu/tools/tutorials/html2.0/entrefs.html

Dec 20, 07 - 02:51 pm Comment from: One who knows

There is a lot of misconception regarding Apple in the enterprise. Xserve, Xsan and Xserve Raid are making their way into the computing infrastructure of many companies. The writer of the story is probably pretty far removed from the the day-to-day grind of systems administration and doesn't get a chance to see a lot of what's going on in the trenches. You could walk into many companies and see what is described in the Computerworld story. These companies are not as big as CNBC and wouldn't rate a mention in Computerworld. The tide is slowly turning in the world of enterprise IT toward the use of more Apple products.

Dec 20, 07 - 03:51 pm Comment from: El Guapo

@ron

"give him a buzz;"


I want a buzz too!

Dec 20, 07 - 09:35 pm Comment from: Red Hat

MDN is not hosted on Xserves. I find that hypocritical in regards to this piece being published.

They are hosted on Linux servers: Apache/2.0.52 (Red Hat)

This info is easily obtainable from a multitude of internet sources.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:00 pm Comment from: Grumpy Old Man

@MaLvado
"Too bad Apple is a consumer company now. I fear for the Xserve's upgrade path."

I must agree. I looked at a 15TB Xsan for our facility. Walked away from it completely. the deeper we dug the more troubles and limitations we found. We were dealing with Apple directly on the sale, the individuals we spoke with left us with zero confidence. Also, every part of the system has some age on it. Apple's policy of secrecy is fine for a consumer product. A hundred thousand dollar purchase as the backbone of a 5 year plan requires knowledge of the future direction of the product and its components.

Finally, the system CNBC is running is built with 100 percent duplication for protection from failure. This doesn't show a tremendous amount of confidence in the reliability in the system. All the individual components of an Xsan setup are already littered with redundancy. Maybe next year, now, not so much.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:41 pm Comment from: dab2

@Grumpy Old Man

I have no idea what your "facility" is but most businesses need to have good back-up plans. Live broadcast requires 100% up-time and all mission critical systems must be backed-up period. They are not expressing a lack of confidence, they are following basic best practices for their industry. If a rack goes down, they have to have a system ready to go. Yes, I know how a Xsan works and the level of redundancy built into them, but I also know that 100% up-time is not perfectly achieved even with a Xsan.

Dec 20, 07 - 11:59 pm Comment from: LorD1776

AT&T;A&T

Dec 21, 07 - 12:00 am Comment from: LorD1776

AT&T

Dec 21, 07 - 12:03 am Comment from: LorD1776

URETHRA !!! I mean EUREKA !!! Thanks Ampar - you da man!

Dec 21, 07 - 12:32 am Comment from: DLMeyer

MDN ... "You'll figure it out soon, probably right after you realize that Xsan is a box of software not rack-mounted hardware."

It is? The ones I've "seen" have been hardware. Oh, sure, there was a bunch of sweet, specific software making the hardware work as advertised, but does that make it "a box of software"?

Dec 21, 07 - 02:22 am Comment from: TowerTone

according to our local crack whore, the good thing about Teflon Don is that he don't stick to her eggs....(or even come close, compared to Leroy)

Dec 21, 07 - 12:24 pm Comment from: LorD1776

TT,

Thanks ol' buddy. I just upchucked the scrambled eggs I had for breakfast.

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