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Vista in the same league as Win98.... LOL, what an improvement!

An interesting comparison, that of stepping on a car accelerator, but highly accurate. One of the most frustrating things in my usage of Windows computers has been startups, of which there are many. Until that QuickLaunch bar in the bottom right has done loading all its stuff, forget about opening or getting anything done at any reasonable rate of speed. Not so on my Tiger. Startups are quick, and once I log in I can get started immediately.

Microsoft truly does get in the way of productivity.

I'm continually amazed at how little (or no) progress M$ made in the 5 years between XP and Vista.

Haha man what are they to think when "Leopard" come out??

The "Huh?" starts now.

Dell: User is inspecting C/Drive, Cancel or Allow?
MS: Allow.

Dell: User double clicked document, Cancel or Allow?
M$: Standby, examining content ... Allow.

Dell: User clicked Google link, Cancel or Allow?
M$: Standby, examining MSN content ... not found ... requesting MSN indexing....

Dell: User clicked Google link again, Cancel or Allow?
M$: Oh, I almost forgot, Allow!

Dell: User kicked me. Engaging TiltBits, Cancel or Allow?
M$: Cancel, cancel!

Dell: I'm flying out the window! Mayday, mayday! PC going down! Request...
M$: Cancel! No, Allow! Allow! Oh f...!

My wallet is itchy for Leopard.

gribbet

Stepping on an accelerator or stepping into a steaming pile?

I wouldn't point out latency. The Mac UI is a bit sluggish- even on good HW. I have had good HW G4-G5-CoreDuo and can tell you that it's not where it should be.

I really don't care about Windows, which I only use when paid to, but the Mac UI is still not what it should be. Better than 10.0-10.3, but not where it should be on good HW.

And for you lucky dogs smart enough to buy:
Windows® XP Home, XP Pro, XP Media 2005 +, Vista Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, or Ultimate Build 6000

There's the new NORTON 360 ! ! ! Woohoo!

It's anti-virus, anti-phishing, extra firewall protection, PC tune-up and MORE!

Said Symantec, "We didn't want to make it a big old kitchen sink."

So, they're selling you lucky Windows suckers a big, NEW kitchen sink!

Because Vista is bulletproof.

Unfortunately, bullets aren't the problem. But they could be part of the solution.

I have a home for 2 Macs, 1 Airport extreme, 1 airtunes all awaiting the arrival of Leopard.
Begging for a March 24 Launch.


Magic Word...'comes'...We all hope the Mac refresh and Leopard comes very soon.

"I wouldn't point out latency. The Mac UI is a bit sluggish- even on good HW. I have had good HW G4-G5-CoreDuo and can tell you that it's not where it should be.

I really don't care about Windows, which I only use when paid to, but the Mac UI is still not what it should be. Better than 10.0-10.3, but not where it should be on good HW."

I totally agree.

"Vista's user interface suffers from more 'friction' than its predecessor XP"

That's because it's ribbed. For them.

"In Vista, a folder fades in, as if it appears out of nothing. It looks great, but after 10 times you realize you're losing time waiting for that."

The result of choosing form over function and proffering gimmicks to capture mindshare.

How many creatures in nature have developed an extremely attractive "hook" designed lull its prey into a hypnotic trance and who, when caught looking, are stabbed and paralyzed, or swallowed whole?

Ever notice how more and more print and online pubs are putting down Vista???

Yea, they have always complained about MS stuff, about how it bombs, has problems, etc but it seems like they are really just saying how crappy it is, this time.

Like a huge ship at sea, the change in course is small at first, but it marks a different direction. One away from Microsoft.

Just my thoughs.

N.

OS X has its fair share of latency issues. My pet peeve is how slow the "Save" dialog boxes scroll (window shade) roll down. IMO, they should be there, "BAM", when I hit cmd-S. Instead they come down slow enough to watch. Do it several times in short succession and it is very annoying.

Fortuneately there are utilities such as TweakFreak (disclaimer: I just use it) that can set the speed of the dialog box display. It still ahs to have a delay, but I can make the delay small enough as to be almost unnoticeable.

Shame on Apple for 1) making it so slow in the first place and 2) not providing the means for all users to easlily adjust the speed. Apple made eye-candy over function there

Is it really so difficult to operate a copyer? Especially when you have billions of dollars at your disposal.

M$ should just give up and give the money back to the share holders before they blow it all.

WOW.

Microsoft. You're waiting. Our interface.

Should we be expecting an update to the Leopard GUI? Bring it in line with iTunes? More black glass instead of blue glass?

Anyone?

Looking forward to seeing Leopard.
Why this windows article is of interest to us non-windows users I have no idea.

A mate of mine who is extremely tech-savy (works in the web developement industry) installed Vista on his business laptop, which had 4 partitions and 90gb of free harddrive space available on it and guess what?...

Vista installed itself across ALL 4 partions and used up all 90gb of free harddrive space!

To say he was pissed off was an understatement!

I don't know what is wrong with Vista, but Microsoft obviously never tested it on a standard retail Sony Vio with a multiple partitioned hardrive.

He had to wipe all his partitions as there were system files all over the place.

When he did finally get it working the 1st thing he said was "it looks lik Mac OS X" and the 2nd thing he then said was "I knew I should have just bought a mac".

Great job Microsoft!! - Let's now see Vista totally fuckup a global organisation's it inferstructure!


LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLL!!

dont' you think MS has these kinds of tests already? it makes me think they either knew this already or this report is complete bs.

just a thought.

when you consider the amount of testing they pour into things like fonts and visibility etc, you think they didn't test this kind of shit on their new OS? Come on..

Good research - I'm glad someone else is drawing attention to this issue, which always appeared to me to be universally ignored.

Microsoft aside...

What Keiser calls "User Interface Friction" I've always referred to as an interface's "Action". Any guitarists out there will know straight away that this qualifies the relationship between the parts of the instrument which - when got right - result in the whole thing not being an obstacle to a user whatever his or her ability and style of use.

The fact is, OS X still has NOWHERE NEAR the sleek, refined, greased-lightning "action" that OS 9 had. I've said on other Mac sites that OS X is looks like a Porche and drives like a Bread Delivery Truck - whereas OS 9 is exactly the opposite. And - even on Tiger - I'm reminded of this fact every time I dip back into the Classic environment for a while.

BTW I'm speaking here about both systems performances when they are working, so the discussion only gets side-tracked when the different issue of overall stability is brought in.

I worry that it is the eye-candy that Apple heap onto OS X which is the main culprit in this matter - and that's why I'd much prefer the option of a more basic-looking system which retains the wonderful, speedy, action OS 9 had.

I don't know HOW many PC users have told me that the Mac has too much fluff in their interface. Dancing apllication icons in the dock, swirling windows,blah blah etc... They use PC's to-get-real-work-done!! Those same people must be in a dilemma. They now have similar fluff but it is much slower. I wonder if they will no longer be able to get-real-work-done?

I also don't think this is a big deal. OS-X latency was pretty bad for a long time, giving an impression of being quite sluggish.

Let's not forget that in terms of GUI responsiveness, OS-X was a big step back from OS-9.

My view was that it was worth putting up with for the overall experience, and there have been great improvements in each release.

The main difference perhaps is that Microsoft will not make much of an effort to optimise. They'll just expect you to buy a new machine.

I dunno, Twenty Benson.
To me. OS 9 was solid-state Fender.
OSX is a Matchless Cheif.

Oops.
Chief.

I too am unhappy about the speed of tiger. My question is, are leopards faster than tigers? I sure hope so.

Surely Apple is aware of the speed differences between OS 9 and Tiger, and wants to do something about it. If leopard speeds things up substantially, this will be the best reason to upgrade. If no noticeable speed improvement on Intel machines in particular, this will be noticed for sure.


As for Vista vs. Win 98, this is truly bad news, and not just for Microsoft. The pressure will be on Apple to share its OS to the manufacturers stuck with loading Vista on their boxes. Meanwhile, Apple shares to-day are down $2.92 as I write.

Perhaps Microsoft should have used a better brand of lipstick...

EZ Mac said: "Haha man what are they to think when "Leopard" come out??"

How do you know that Leopard will be fast? What makes you think that a more full featured OS (Leopard) will be faster than an OS with less features and ability (Tiger)? You must have information that the rest of us are not privy to.

"My question is, are leopards faster than tigers?"

African or European?
You don't know? (AAAUUUUGGH ! ! !)
<flung from the Bridge of Death into the Gorge of Eternal Peril>

Hey, I just switched from Panther to Tiger.

It is faster than Panther, and it is faster than any previous version of OSX. Took no more disc space than Panther.

This is on a 4 year old G3 white dual usb ibook.

I would have no interest at all in going back to Classic. I still do for Illustrator and Photoshop. It is responsive, but overall.......No.

Had no idea how much I would use Spotlight, and Widgets.

Fewer "spinning rainbows" too.

Why keep buying the fake when you can buy the original?

Microsoft strives to stay relevant, yet fails.

UI Friction sounds like it hurts, but I wouldn't know since I mostly use OS X.

While we're on the subject of OSX useability, is it just me, or do others find the scrollbars way too narrow? I keep missing them and grabbing the window behind by mistake.

re:

dont' you think MS has these kinds of tests already? it makes me think they either knew this already or this report is complete bs.

just a thought.

when you consider the amount of testing they pour into things like fonts and visibility etc, you think they didn't test this kind of shit on their new OS? Come on..

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Well im sitting right next to the guy and that is exactly what happened.

4 partitions on his harddrive and Vista OS system files installed randomly across all 4 partitions.

Vista = fucked up OS that HASNT BEEN TESTED.

@mike

Microsoft have done the best they could with what they had to work with. The effort seems to have gone into the lipstick, and a half-baked attempt to fix the security holes with constant intervention/confirmation that everyone is going to switch off after an hour or so.

If the performance is ordinary, at least it looks pretty...

But a pretty pig still grunts...