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I'm wondering about the small print in M$'s deal with Univeral.

When all those Zunes get exchanged and returned for iPods, will Universal have to pay back all those $1 bills?

> So why would they try to trick people into buying a Zune. They will only get in back next week.

Because store managers are evaluated based on sales. They are probably not evaluated based on returns.

"Sorry boss. But the display instructions said assemble and fill with the hottest new MP3 player!"

Nothing but a bunch of fanboys in here. Ill take my Rio or iRiver over either. No DRM, I can DnD old songs that arn't available on iTunes and their about $200 cheaper. Keep stuffing MS/Apples pockets for XMas!

Just goes to show that MP3 players have become so generic that the average person can't tell the difference any more. It happened with Sony Walkmans too. Originally Sony was the brand to have, Now, if you're one of the millions of dinosaurs buying a portable cassette or CD player, do you even care who made it?

Finally, Microsoft gets a product right!

What can you say? Zunes sell way better when they come in iPod boxes.

Some animals use mounting rituals to establish dominance ordering. The result of this mounting contest is obvious.

Zunehacker,
Apple gets its funding from Microsoft? What the hell planet are you on? Are you talking about that stock buy back in the 90s that was more symbolic than anything? I dont' believe Microsoft even owns those shares anymore, or at least not all of them, and if they did, if was far from enough to "own" Apple.

If you're going to spout off like a tool, at least know what the hell you're talking about.

Yea, im going to be a bit general about which Costco I work at. But lets say it's one of the larger ones in the Seattle area. Just to give you an example of how poorly the Zunes sold, Microsoft actually added an in store manufacturers rebate of $20 to them the week before Christmas.

iPod rebate? Hell no. We ran out of the 4gb in all colors, the 8gb, and 80gb iPods, not to mention several hundred of those little pink Costco gift cards you see in the photo. Come Christmas Day 120+ Zunes of our original 200 shippment were still sitting locked up waiting for some poor sucker to take them home.

Want to know who bought most of our Zunes? Microsoft employess who kept coming in telling us Microsoft wouldnt sell them Zunes through the Microsoft store until after Christmas.

I don't see why not... no one else wanted them. =)

It is funny actually, the only feature about the zune that I somewhat like is the fm radio receiver. Wish it had an AM too, as I like sports radio.

Anyway, years ago when my daughter got her 1st iPod, she also got an iTrip. For those of you who dont know: the iTrip is a low power FM transmitter that allowed the iPod to be played over your car radio. Sure it was somewhat clunky and tough to find an open FM frequency, and today most new cars have an iPod connector, but back in the day it was pretty cool. Well it didn't take us long to figure out that other cars nearby us on the highway (I am talking pretty close) could also pick up the signal...talk about welcome to the social! We used this iTrip device for a couple of years on those long skiing trip drives with several other vehicles. For those of you who ski, you are aware that radio signals for good FM stations just don't make it out to the boon docks where the mountains are. We had lots of fun with that.

That was back in the day when nobody, but my daughter had an iPod. Now, in a family of 6 we have 7 iPods. Just about every other family we know, this Christmas, someone received an (yet another) iPod, or two+.

As far as the zune, people don't know about it, and really don't seem to care. I have a large extended family with numerous high school and college students, and the comments about the zune ranged from "what is it?" to "oh yeah, it's ugly."

The wi-fi feature has potential, but not in the way MS has implemented it. I am not sure about wireless purchases of music, but using it to sync/connect to a computer would be a cool use. (ie. loose the cables)

Someone also mentioned formats and the iRiver and DRM. Yes the iTunes store comes hindered with DRM, but it is so easy to remove it, and legally. But our iPods are full of nonDRM music that we own. Between the hundreds of CDs that were ripped and loaded, and countless albums that we have over the last couple of years digitized. I cannot understand why people keep perpetuating this myth. PEOPLE THE iPod EASILY PLAYS NON DRM MUSIC. Get over it, move on to an issue that doesn't show you haven't done your homework.

Even MS's own Xbox Team knocks the Zune:
http://svenontech.com/2006/12/30/even-microsofts-own-x-box-team-member-knocks-the-zune/

AH-hahahahahaha...Zunehacker, you're such a moron! Thank you for the laughs!

Zune squirts + iPod on top = ...Cowgirl position???

Welcome to the Social.

The new Zune iPod from Microsoft.

Damn those guys have no shame.

iPod: On top again!

Geez, one friggen picture and the Mac fanboys squirt themselves. I really don't care for ipods at all, give me a zen anyday. And, given the choice, I'd buy a zune over an ipod simply because I don't want to be associated with the legions of drooling idiots who'd take anything apple squeezed from it's giant, festering backside.

Yes, I see the iPods are on top, but who had the crazy idea that you can mate an iPod with a Zune. It's disgusting!

Zunehacker is FULL of it. lol!

Zune gets DIRTY SANCHEZ'D by iPod, Film at eleven.

Zune Tune sung Surreptitiously to the Beatles Tune of “Eleanor Rigby”


Ah, look at all the lonely Zunes
Ah, look at all the lonely Zunes

CEO Ballmer picks up the Zunes in the stores where they were once sold
Lives in a dream
Waits at the window, wearing the face that he keeps in a jar by the door
Who is it for?

All the lonely Zunes
Where do they all come from ?
All the lonely Zunes
Where do they all belong ?

William Gates squirting the words of a tune that no one will hear
No one comes near.
Look at him working. Counting his money at night when there's nobody there
What does he care?

All the lonely Zunes
Where do they all come from?
All the lonely Zunes
Where do they all belong?

The poor Zune died in the church and was buried along with it’s name
Nobody came
CEO Ballmer wiping the dirt from his hands as he walks from the grave
Not one was saved

All the lonely Zunes
Where do they all come from?
All the lonely Zunes
Where do they all belong?

songs?!


i hate mac fanboys with a passion. second only to furries.

dr spaitso........
have u ever owned an APPLE product?huh
else
u wouldnt talk like this

it feels great to have the best u know
p.s i am referring to the ipod not that zune thing!

"it feels great to have the best u know"

That'd be Mac Fanboys, never looking past the best they know.

Poor doctor spaitso, stuck in his little world of mediocrity and "it's good enough." Don't hate us just because we're happier than you are. And don't cry, because some day micro$oft will make something that does actually work. They can't keep scoring zero forever.

well the Costco in Danvers MA had big displays of ipods and zoons right next to each other around thanksgiving (haven't been back since). the ipod display was decimated while the zoon display was completely stocked. nobody wants the lil turds.

doctor spaitso,

Why don't you get a life and go trolling at some other site? Do you really think you're going to change anyone's minds here?

You're wasting your time.

Caption this photo? How about "Microsoft's Weak Re-badging Effort"

doctor spaitso said:

"I'd buy a zune over an ipod simply because I don't want to be associated with ..."

He must be the same guy that bought a Yugo rather than a BMW because he didn't want to be associated with other people that appreciate value, style, performance, etc.

arrrgh...

i agree with dr spaitso - mac fans are blithering idiots

... says who?
THE GREAT APPLE COPIERS..
then why does microsoft copies THE IDIOTS!

Zune sucks, but so does iPod. DRM-enabled players that are restricting my freedom, that can't read a good audio format like .ogg and that needs by default a program for song trasfert should be banned. Replacement solution ? iRiver, Wizpy. Those are great.

"Zune different"

"See. It is good for something."

I spotted one of these at Costco here as well:

http://flickr.com/photos/richlegg/344404204/

Apparently, if one finds the photo funny and irony, the only possible reason is that they must be a Mac fanboy".

Equally apparent is that the MS lemmings have no fsckin' sense of humor. That's a funny pic, and the MS girls get their panties all bunched up. Now THAT'S comedy.

Yeah, the iPod has DRM. Big deal. Any idiot know that there would be no widespread music download model without DRM. The iPod will play non-DRM music, no problem. It won't play any other manufacturer's DRM files. Boo, Apple!

Fortunately the Zune will play other DRM music besides its own. Oh, wait. It won't. MS screwed their business partners, who bought into M$'s previous DRM. Gates reamed them good.

Further MS has the audacity (look it up) to ADD its DRM to your own music. You can't even create your own music in Garage Band (oh, that's right) and share it with another Zuni. It's gone in three days or <three plays>. What kind of crap is that?

And move that file to one of your other non-Zune players and tell us what you hear. Sounds of silence.

MS funds Apple? What drug are you on? MS bought some shares, sold them, not long after that.

I'm sure MS will sell some Zunes to people who hate the iPod because they hate the iPod. That's a stupid reason to spend money, but it's their money, I could care less.

The Zune has some interesting features, though none of them appeal to me. Does it have Bluetooth so I can wear BT headphones? The iPod doesn't have that so the Zune wins again. Oh, wait.

Those little Zany Zunis try unsuccessfully to shame anybody who has anything positive to say about the iPod. I say buy what you like. If the Zune is as great as you say, it will be the next iPod killer. (How many times have you heard <i>that??) God knows MS had enough time to study Apple's model and get it right, right out of the gate. But they didn't.

If every MS OS user bought a Zune, Apple would be crushed. Even if every Apple "fanboy" bought TWO iPods, MS would still crush Apple.

That won't happen. MS has the resources to keep making a bad product for a very long time, and still not go broke. They've had a lot of practice at that.

If MS makes a superior product I'll give it a look. I use their keyboards almost exclusively. Now if they can just do that with their OS and apps, I'll load them on my MacBook.

The Zune could sell well. There are a lot of users who will see it as "good enough" like VHS. Those not willing to settle will get an iPod.

hi sorry to interrupt guys...
but i was wondering...WHAT IS ZUNE?

It was Doctor 'Sbaitso' not 'Spaitso'.

Tell me about this hat red.

teh history, yo.

"The Zune could sell well. There are a lot of users who will see it as "good enough" like VHS. Those not willing to settle will get an iPod."

VHS only sold well when it was the best (at least the best that most people could afford) the market had to offer. When DVD's came out, how long did it last?

The iPod is the DVD, and it was out first.

VHS, DOA. MS, SOL. XTC, REM, NRBQ.

-c

MW: 'once' (upon a time I could loose myself)

iPod obviously owns the zune. Microsoft is always trying to beat apple, so they copy apple and STILL fail exept for with windows vista, that pwns because i cant be using a iMac cos of incompatibily issues.

Stop jumping the gun. Maybe the Zune will crash and burn (like the microsoft wireless products) or maybe it won't but, The ipod is not the same today as it was when it first came out. It has gone through changes (in size and features) to make it better. Don't judge something in it's first months of release, especially if there is already a well established product in the market. I'm not too fond of all the features the Zune has, or at least the way they are implemented but, we all learn from our mistakes. I'm not saying that Ms will make something better than the ipod and prevail, i'm just saying it's hardy long enough to know yet. If Apple thought their initial ipod was perfect, they would have never made any changes to it.

I will wait till MS has chance to make the Zune better before I say its at it's end. If it has been awhile and MS hasn't improved upon it, well then there is your answer.

Hahaha thanks for the laugh.

zune > ipod! apple is for faggots.

im a homosexual but there is no where for me to shove my penis in the ipod because it is not thick enough so i like the zune because it is so thick