“After President Donald Trump said Thursday that the United States will withdraw from the landmark Paris climate agreement, Apple CEO Tim Cook expressed his disappointment with the decision,” CNBC reports. “‘I spoke with President Trump on Tuesday and tried to persuade him to keep the U.S. in the agreement. But it wasn’t enough,’ Cook wrote [in an email to employees (email in full below)].”
“He assured employees that Thursday’s decision will not affect Apple’s commitments to protect the environment,” CNBC reports. “‘We power nearly all of our operations with renewable energy, which we believe is an example of something that’s good for our planet and makes good business sense as well.'”
CNBC reports, “Cook also called the White House decision ‘wrong for our planet’ in a post on Twitter.”
Decision to withdraw from the #ParisAgreeement was wrong for our planet. Apple is committed to fight climate change and we will never waver.
— Tim Cook (@tim_cook) June 2, 2017
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Note: Cook’s email to Apple employees, verbatim:
Team,
I know many of you share my disappointment with the White House’s decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate agreement. I spoke with President Trump on Tuesday and tried to persuade him to keep the U.S. in the agreement. But it wasn’t enough.
Climate change is real and we all share a responsibility to fight it. I want to reassure you that today’s developments will have no impact on Apple’s efforts to protect the environment. We power nearly all of our operations with renewable energy, which we believe is an example of something that’s good for our planet and makes good business sense as well.
We will keep working toward the ambitious goals of a closed-loop supply chain, and to eventually stop mining new materials altogether. Of course, we’re going to keep working with our suppliers to help them do more to power their businesses with clean energy. And we will keep challenging ourselves to do even more. Knowing the good work that we and countless others around the world are doing, there are plenty of reasons to be optimistic about our planet’s future.
Our mission has always been to leave the world better than we found it. We will never waver, because we know that future generations depend on us.
Your work is as important today as it has ever been. Thank you for your commitment to making a difference every single day.
Tim
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Vice President Pence and President Trump’s remarks from the White House’s Rose Garden today (remarks begin at 36:59):
SEE ALSO:
Despite pleas from Apple CEO Tim Cook and others, President Trump pulls out of Paris Agreement – June 1, 2017
Apple signs on to full page ‘open letter’ ad urging President Trump to keep U.S. in Paris Agreement on climate change – June 1, 2017
Apple CEO Cook calls President Trump as Elon Musk threatens to quit White House advisory councils over Paris decision – May 31, 2017
President Trump leaning toward exiting Paris climate change agreement despite Apple, others urging U.S. to remain in deal – May 31, 2017
Apple to stick with environmental pledges despite President Trump’s gutting of Obama’s climate change orders – March 30, 2017
Greenpeace: Apple again the world’s most environmentally friendly tech company – January 10, 2017
More frantic virtue signaling from the obviously very insecure Tim Cook. You can practically hear him screaming, “Like me, just like me! Look how good I am! See how much I care!”
The gnashing of teeth and rending of garments by the looney Dem/Lib/Prog contingent is almost as satisfying as watching those videos of the crestfallen faces in the Javits Center on the night of Crooked Hillary’s “victory” party.
Oh, woe is us, how will the planet ever survive without the Paris Agreement’s oh so important yet non-binding plan to reduce the global temperature increase by 0.17°C (0.306°F) by 2100?
Please, keep it up Loony Left! Real America is watching you and you’re driving voters to the GOP in ever-increasing numbers with your ever-increasing hysteria over nothing.
Sounds to me like you have a little sand in your vagina🙂
Oh, you’re so inventive. Got any more trite sayings?
Sound to me like Firsty has got Tim Cook pegged and you don’t like that one bit.
Seriously, have either you or “Firsty” ever had a real life friend. You are genuinely only outmatched in your awful personas by #worstpresidenteverTrump. The people forced to be around you must recoil with disgust at your very existence. No friends, no girlfriends, no boyfriends, no interest. Sad!
That’s the best you’ve got?
President Donald J. Trump has been in office less than six months and you already fantasy writing his negative obituary or is it legacy.
God, I’m glad I’m not related to you …
“At what point does America get demeaned? At what point do they start laughing at us as a country? We want fair treatment for its citizens and we want fair treatment for our taxpayers. We don’t want other leaders and other countries laughing at us anymore, and they won’t be. They won’t be.”
Two good questions to which the answer is, the moment you got elected.
And lastly, they weren’t laughing….but they sure are now.
Much like blood diamonds, the countries, companies and individuals concerned, will become international pariahs. The rest of the world will now see US political influence and climate change denial, the companies that benefit from this decision along with the output that results, as a reason to boycott them and look elsewhere.
You can bet on it.
#kakistocracy
And to those who have a somewhat open mind regarding the enormity and viability of reversing the effects of man made climate interference, here’s a simple demonstration of how even one person can wreak world changing havoc OR do their bit to save the planet.
:… was wrong for our planet.”
Pipeline T failed to mention his planet is Uranus.
Chinese generals have been laughing at how stupid the US is for decades to fall for all these phone manipulative scams. Asians in general have been laughing at how “dumb Americans” will roll over and follow anything foisted on them.
Now they’re all upset that their agent Clinton didn’t win and someone might actually stand up for America.
Don’t you mean, a little “wasp nests in your vagina”? http://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/wasp-nest-vagina
Well Said and To The Point!!!!!
At least Cook waited an hour or so. The feckless Obama couldn’t even wait until the President finished speaking. The Obama failure can’t even have manners and refrain from criticizing his successor like the other past office holders. Typical Lib. Does whatever he wants, the rules don’t apply to him, and he doesn’t even realize he got jobbed by China in the Paris Agreement and that Trump is tasked with fixing all of his messes, from these stupid agreements to Syria to ISIS to oil pipelines, etc., etc., etc.
Hey Fact, He wasn’t jobbed. He knew exactly what he was doing. For Obama, America last is just dandy. Do you think he feels any remorse for blowing trough 10 trillion dollars and have nothing to show for it?
Hey empty, you flunked civics. It was the Congress who approved the $10 billion in deficit spending.
“Hey empty, you flunked civics. It was the Congress who approved the $10 billion in deficit spending.”
Hey sinclap, a revolting name, you flunked full disclosure and have a reading comprehension problem.
Empty Tank did not mention responsibility for appropriation of deficit spending. You did.
ET point of blowing trillions of taxpayer dollars with nothing to show for it is spot on. You did not dispute that one atomic particle, good.
You totally FLUNKED in not pointing out both houses of Congress were controlled by Democrats and acted on Obama’s orders that passed deficit spending. Republicans hands are clean, same with the Obamacare debacle.
Inconvenient truths are a beautiful thing …
you flunked to. O’ had 6 years of Repub Congress. They passed the negative budget bills. Takes two to tangle.
Ah, no. You flunk AGAIN.
Repeatedly, you are a symbol of deflection of the truth.
Please tell the class the year the Obama deficit spending was passed and the party that controlled both houses of Congress.
Your selective facts technique is well known to attempt to SKEW reality. We know better. Run home, brainless …
Fake news!
No surprise to read your response does not have the answer. Dodge, deflect and runaway. Yup, brainless alright …
Fuck you!!!! That’s all you’d understand bitch! From what stone did crawl out of FAT CHECKER?
Hey, Lily — what part of FactChecker’s post is wrong?
Here is what was posted: “The Obama failure can’t even have manners and refrain from criticizing his successor like the other past office holders. Typical Lib. Does whatever he wants, the rules don’t apply to him …”
You disagree, why?
You have the gall to blast Obama when the TRUMPanzee dissed Obama – called him a fricking criminal and accused him of wiretapping Trump Tower. That, LieCreator, are the actual facts.
You live in a dream world in which the TRUMPanzee is a legitimate POTUS.
I don’t like him either, but he is the legitimate pres. based on the constitutional rules of our pres elections
Your system is obviously broken. Gerrymandered voting districts, inconsistent voting machines, and nonstop lies spread by two parties entirely corrupted by outside non-American influences, mostly multinational corporations that don’t actually care if your country falls apart. They have already decided the next century will be the Asian century.
That is what happens when you allow unaccounted money and propaganda to take over. Think about it.
Smarty pants, come up with a plan… What will you do or how would you suggest global coordination to maintain or reduce the effects of climate change? The Paris agreement is setting targets. That’s at least a plan.
I suppose you prefer poop in your diapers. Do you just wallow in manure in your home and complain about the stench or just enjoy it all together?
Obamacare was a plan. How’d that work out for everybody?
Ridding Libya of Gaddafi was a plan. How’d that work out for the region?
Keeping work emails on a private home brew server while employed by the government was a plan. How’d that work out for Hillary?
Hey, at least they were plans!
As for my statements that you are responding to, I am simply asking for a logical alternative than the Paris Accord is bad – m-kay. What makes it bad? How cold it be different? If you know it’s a bad plan, then you should know of something that might go better, even if it’s worse, I don’t care.
Your offerings have nothing to do with the subject, which is about actionable items to deal with Climate change, even if that means, put more CO2 into the atmosphere.
But since you brought it up…
Gaddafi was murdered. Obama owns up to the mistake of supporting regime change in Libya and the domino effect across the whole region.
The Affordable Care Act, is actually better than no plan. It’s based on a Massachusetts plan implemented under the governorship of Mitt Romney. It’s a moderate Republican plan. However anything bad about the ACA, you can thank the GOP which intended for it to fail. They planed on a revocable bad plan. Unfortunately anything they can come up with to replace it, is even worse. The GOP labeled the ACA ObamaCare in an attempt to get their constituents behind them to have it repealed even though it will hurt them.
The best plan is to establish a union of buyers to limit costs imposed upon the people by greedy profiteering off the needs of the people. It’s equivalent to a $1000 loaf of bread, when no one else is selling bread. It’s not like there are a lot of competing choices for medical solutions, and a patient has to have the treatment to live. I am talking about hospital beds costing tens of thousands of dollars, basic needs that have no risk on the part of the hospital or patient other than it’s needed for proper care. There’s a whole laundry list of price gouging.
The point of a private server for any politician is to discuss non-public issues, usually interpersonal issues. Good or bad, nothing illegal was found. For all that the GOP fought over this, it was a witch hunt. It was mishandled. It was manipulated by foreign agents. (These are not interpretations, they are facts) With that said, and now that law or rules are more clear regarding these things, our current leader is handing out his private cell phone number to international leaders. He wants private communications to sidestep public record. These are not interpersonal issues, these are communications that belong to public record You should be furious about this, you must not trust the current White House.
For Hillary, I believe this whole notion is a travesty that didn’t need to happen, regardless of Hillarie’s actions. She has had two decades of staunch opposition, when she hasn’t done anything wrong or outside political norms for all sides of politics. She isn’t a crook, crooked or nasty.
Sarcasm mixed nicely with brutal truth is a wonderful thing …
Except that to date there still is no hard scientific PROOF that global warming is caused by human activity.
Scientists are supposed to follow the scientific method and test and PROVE theories. Without proof a theory is just a theory. When real scientists come up with actual proof, we’ll talk, until then it remains just a theory.
In fact one real NASA scientist quit his job because he claimed the whole thing was a fraud.
So, because it does enough as a minimum requirement you reckon the best solution is to pull out and do nothing? Brilliant.
We should be getting off these non-renewable resources as soon as possible not just because of what they do to the climate but because of the damage they do to our health on a daily basis. Cities are choking on fumes, are dirty, we’re spoiling the environment visually, and so on and so on.
So many Americans seem obsessed by prepping for disaster and going off grid you’d think they’d want to be prepared for being without oil etc.
Re: First whatever
1- The Paris Agreement was a NON-BINDING Executive Agreement and not a treaty of the United States. As such it had little to no real teeth in law and was only essentially a set of pledged guidelines between nations. Trump was just doing more political theater and most of the response was Drama Queen Bullshit.
Trump’s action will only impact actions of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government and Federally Funded co-op projects with lesser governments. Trump promised to do this so it is not surprising that he did it and it took his other problems off the table for a News Cycle. Mr Muller and Mr Comey have something for Agent Orange and the G.O.P. membership in Congress will face a “Time for Choosing”.
2- Corporate America has largely already decided to act responsibly in light of the overwhelming consensus of Peer Reviewed Science and Public Support. It is now less expensive to power the grid by Renewables than by Fossil Fuels and it does not foul the air or water in the process. BTW- more people make a living building our new Renewable Energy complex than those mining coal or drilling for oil and gas.
The Petroleum Industry is not going away, but needs to shift from fuels as the primary product. Oil and Gas provide the base chemicals necessary for countless products we need today and in the future. It is a waste to burn it when we can do better with Wind and Solar.
3- The Free Market- which Republicans and Conservatives claim to hold in high regard- has already decided. Over half the new capacity for the power grid worldwide is sourced in Renewables and that number runs upward of 90% in Europe. Germany- the most dynamic economy in Europe has converted much of it’s power base to renewables while the US is held up by Republican tantrums. China- soon to be the World’s biggest economy- is rolling out renewable plants as fast as they can. The market has spoken and it does not want Coal or Tar Sands.
The position America takes is not about Fossil Fuels versus Renewables- it is about will America lead or be a laggard. Trump has sided with the laggards despite the evidence in science and economics. Much of the renewable Technology was developed right here in America and Trump is saying he wants those jobs overseas because he wants to continue to use dirty fuel that is killing nature as we know it.
4- Mother Nature bats last. Human use of whatever fuels will not destroy the Earth, but can destroy it’s habitability for humans in any way we can recognize it. As a Baby Boomer I will not likely live to see the worst, but most people living today will. The tragedy is that it does not have to be this way, yet willfully ignorant people and poorly educated people are sewing the seeds of their own misery.
Dear Cook and disappointed employees:
1- The Paris Agreement was a NON-BINDING Executive Agreement and not a treaty of the United States. As such it had little to no real teeth in law and was only essentially a set of pledged guidelines between nations. Trump was just doing more political theater and most of the response was Drama Queen Bullshit.
Trump’s action will only impact actions of the Executive Branch of the Federal Government and Federally Funded co-op projects with lesser governments. Trump promised to do this so it is not surprising that he did it and it took his other problems off the table for a News Cycle. Mr Muller and Mr Comey have something for Agent Orange and the G.O.P. membership in Congress will face a “Time for Choosing”.
2- Corporate America has largely already decided to act responsibly in light of the overwhelming consensus of Peer Reviewed Science and Public Support. It is now less expensive to power the grid by Renewables than by Fossil Fuels and it does not foul the air or water in the process. BTW- more people make a living building our new Renewable Energy complex than those mining coal or drilling for oil and gas.
The Petroleum Industry is not going away, but needs to shift from fuels as the primary product. Oil and Gas provide the base chemicals necessary for countless products we need today and in the future. It is a waste to burn it when we can do better with Wind and Solar.
You make the point quite well – the Paris Accords mean nothing, so why should we waste our money there? We’re already improving quite well on our own, and can use that money at home to do more good than giving money to them will ever do.
“You make the point quite well – the Paris Accords mean nothing, so why should we waste our money there? We’re already improving quite well on our own, and can use that money at home to do more good than giving money to them will ever do.”
Well said. It never ceases to amaze me the LEFT is more interested in symbolic achievement, aka Hollywood, than REAL accomplishment.
We finally have experienced adults in the President’s cabinet to get the job done. Not eight years of dreamer achievers. Refreshing …
Except for the prominent NASA scientists who quit his job because he said the entire thing was a fraud and junk science. Peers like that aren’t allowed into ‘peer review’.
But no one ever brings that fact up. If you don’t agree, you’re ousted so that you can’t be a “disagreeing peer”. Peer groups are manipulated into agreement by excising any peer that disagrees. The Emperor always has clothes. Or else.
You’re so full of 💩
As usual, Trump’s speech was full of inaccuracies and “misleading” statements. I would call them lies, but he appears to be too stupid to realize that he is not telling the truth. In keeping with the laws that protect the mentally impaired, it is difficult to hold him accountable.
The people who blindly support the TRUMPanzee on this forum will not listen…they will simply deny and attack with more falsehoods and puerile ad hominem attacks. Those people are lost to reason.
To those who are willing to question, do your own research. Question the evidence that supports your current positions and beliefs just as much as you question the evidence that is counter to your current positions and beliefs. Because it is far easier to manipulate you with misleading statements that appeal to your established viewpoints than it is to change your viewpoints with facts that counter them. Studies have shown that people tend to double down on their beliefs when they are presented with strong evidence to the contrary. Put simply, people cling to their existing belief systems and hate to admit that they are wrong.
Firsty, you are generally wrong. Botdude, you are generally wrong. You will likely never admit and never change. But that is the truth.
Who is the real America? The coal miners? The angry rural proletarians?
The ‘loony left’ are the economic drivers and producers of the US of A.
The loony left never got their hands dirty, or lifted a shovel, or built anything outside of hot air …
The looney left is to busy preparing for the upcoming iPhone 8 roll out and designing next year’s replacements.
Steve Jobs was against globalization and said so on air in an MSNBC interview. He never got involved in SJW causes. He was too busy taking care of business. Nearly all US industry was created by capitalists, not communists. How many new industries and products have communist countries created? They are falling all over themselves to steal and copy capitalist industries.
America’s industries were built by capitalists. The left just moves in and takes them over later since they have nowhere else to go and don’t have any industries of their own to work in.
Trump is the laughing stock of the world. The only people dumber than him are the rubes who voted for him. Coal is not coming back. Climate change is the largest threat facing the world and Trump just ceded leadership on this issue. He and his supporters are an embarrassment to America.
Get your head out of your ass and turn the comminist network off
Go fuck yourself with a fuel pump.
Climate change is not the largest threat facing the world, you moron.
Empty statement, with out declaring what is the largest threat. You are just talking out of your ass otherwise. If you think KJI is the largest threat, I say you are wrong. If you say the USA is or Russia is, then I might agree with you.
There I made a meaningful rebuttal for you. I don’t even have to be right. I just have to complete my argument. And I did it without call you names. How’s them Apples?
When will the Climate Change proponents with their dire consequences to the world, ever produce some factual detrimental evidence that will materialize during my lifetime that is solely the cause of Global Warming/Climate Change? Why is the destruction of the world, due to Climate Change if we don’t do “X” like agree to the Paris Accord, predicted after we are long dead? And why should I believe you or your settled science by “95%” of scientists of gov’t funded “grants” for research to perpetuate a issue that requires more studies and more gov’t funding aka job security when the goal post for Climate Change changes whenever what really happens doesn’t fit the Global Warming narrative, such as snow storms seemingly following Al Gore around, the East Anglia scientists altered the temperature numbers to fit their hypothesis, Al Gore saying we are all going to cook in tens years that struck Rush Limbaugh so much, that he put a countdown clock on his website (news flash, the ten year countdown ended a year ago & I haven’t heard of too many people being “cooked”), or actor Ted Danson saying the ecology of the oceans will be severely damaged because all the whales are going to die (hint, hint: that also did not come true. we still have whales). So you will forgive me if I do not take everything coming out from the CC/GW crowd with a grain of salt. Especially when there is a shitload of money on the table. Like the saying goes, “Beware the prophet seeking profit”.
I am not against examining the value of climate change either warming or cooling. However, when we calculate the cost of any activity, manufacturing, mining, logging. We tend to ignore the impact and biological cost of those activities. Let the future pay for it. Nature will take care of things. None of this activity is free. The cost doesn’t end at extraction. Talk to the people of Flint Michigan. We ignore the TCO of our actions and it’s unfair. The world is finite, we are living in unsuitable times. However if we learn how to exist with sustainability in mind, who’s to say just how long we can live on Earth?
We know we can live at average global temperatures on historical record. We know what glaciers are like. We don’t have to guess what the weather will be like or how well crops will grow. So the Paris Accord intends to try and keep to the status quo. Tell me, who are the losers today, by keeping to status quo? Who? Who’s getting treated unfairly? I propose 120 years ago, there was no petroleum industry. However, why can’t our current industry invest in renewables? Why can’t we make solar cells and wind turbines in America? What’s stopping us? Why did the 100 MPG car engine vanish in the 80’s? The longer American industry refuses to adapt to new plans, they will lose their place at the table. At the moment America pulling form the Paris Accord is not about climate change as is it about walking away from dialog and having a voice at international congress over the matter.
I don’t see anyone, scientists or otherwise discuss any other course of action or plan regarding climate change. Which leads me to believe that the deniers of climate change are all about maintaining the use of coal and oil to put money into the pockets of executives and stock holders who are too lazy to work on the next big thing.
Turn that into a Mac Pro.
CO2 is plant food. Plants love CO2. More CO2 == more plants. More plants mean more oxygen pumped into the atmosphere. Increases in human population means earth needs more oxygen for people to breathe.
Therefore more CO2 is better for humans, not worse.
I would go so far as to say Climate Change restrictions are anti-human since they lead to less CO2 which leads to less plant growth, which leads to less O2 for humans to breathe. Climate Change manipulations appear to be designed to harm humans.
Well said!
All the prophets, cough, cough, ahem, profiteers like Gored are talking out of their arse!
… Trump is, by far, the greatest threat: worse than ISIS, communists or any. Trump IS a terrorist leading the greatest country to hell.
Rubes?
What has happened in the US is what the founders of the US Constitution tried to avoid. They knew that with large population centers like NY, Boston & Philadelphia, that a vote on pure population basis would amount to a dictatorship of the mega-cities (small though they were then, they could still dominate.)
Today, we have mega-cities in the US that can’t and apparently won’t control their spending-finances (Detroit & Chicago) and are going under in a variety of ways, but those large cities are trying to tell the rest of the country how to behave.
80% of the counties in the U.S. voted for Trump. Something is going wrong in the big city areas. It is a mindset of only they know what is good.
Newsflash, 1 person, 1 vote. “80% of the counties” is irrelevant. The “founders of the US Constitution” (great sentence structure) came up with something called the Connecticut Compromise to address the population concentrations. Look it up.
Second, regarding “spending finances” (sheesh), it is, in fact, largely the “Red State” cabal that feeds from the federal pig trough at the expense of “Blue States”. So, what we should really do is get TN, ID, WV, MS, AZ, KY, etc., to write checks to MA, NY, NJ, MN, WA, CA etc., to square up what’s owed.
Third, checking your f-cking facts before you spew your crap.
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/#red-vs-blue
There is no climate change. Not any more then has been over the 2000 years or so we been here. Only liberal left leaning scientists claim otherwise. Problem is so far most of it is false info and data.
Oh well so what if our climate is changing we will adapt. Our climate has changed dramatically over the years. There are parts of the us now that are desert that were once covered in vegetation.
Stop worrying so much my word. How do you sleep I mean oh trump is bad oh my world is coming to end in2012 oh wait that didn’t happen oh no climate change ahhhh.
Look I’m not making fun of you but seriously enjoy life don’t get your panties in a bunch
“Only liberal left leaning scientists claim otherwise”, like NASA, good one:
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php
“over the 2000 years or so we been here” this sounds like you think humans have been on earth for 2000 years, I’m sure you absolutely could not mean that.
On January 1, 2017, courageous Georgia Tech Climatologist Judith Curry resigned from her tenured position at the university, offering as her main reason her growing frustration with the politicized reward system now endemic in college science generally, and in climate science, specifically.
To quote Dr. Curry:
“A deciding factor was that I no longer know what to say to students and postdocs regarding how to navigate the CRAZINESS in the field of climate science. Research and other professional activities are professionally rewarded only if they are channeled in certain directions approved by a politicized academic establishment — funding, ease of getting your papers published, getting hired in prestigious positions, appointments to prestigious committees and boards, professional recognition, etc.”
She also noted that she has been observing this problem for five to ten years.
For those of us in the “west” who have been involved with scientific research, who have friends or family members who work in the field, or who have been reporting on scientific research, especially climate research, her statement, issued two days after she effectively resigned, rings true with utter, beautiful, breath-of-fresh-air clarity.
Dr. Roy Spencer is a principal research scientist for the University of Alabama in Huntsville, as well as the U.S. Science Team Leader for the Advanced Microwave Scanning Radiometer (AMSR-E) on NASA’s Aqua satellite. He is known for his work with the satellite-based temperature monitoring for which he and Dr. John Christy received NASA’s Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal.
Dr. Spencer suggests that global warming is mostly due to natural internal variability, and that the climate system is quite insensitive to humanity’s greenhouse gas emissions.
Not only that, do you know how much carbon the human race contributes to the atmosphere each year? Anyone?
But I can assure everyone, it is minuscule to what nature produces naturally. To think our minute contribution will destroy the planet is the height of stupidity.
That said, certainly develop cleaner technologies and utilize green practices whenever possible to reduce our carbon footprint …
Evidence? Those who have actually studied the matter disagree that the human contribution to CO2 levels is inconsequential. There are consequences that are visible every time we go outside and see the shifts in our local flora and fauna. What is your evidence?
Yes, there are numbers available for the human contribution to the increase in greenhouse gas levels. I am not going to do your research for you, since your confirmation bias would lead you to ignore the facts anyway.
The real problem here isn’t ignorance, but arrogance. Because people with doctorates in any particular field are necessarily an elite group, those who hate elites will always dismiss their expertise. Americans often read “all men are created equal” to mean that all opinions, educated or not, are of equal value. If the facts presented by scientists disagree with my uninformed opinion, their opinion must be “the height of stupidity.”
In this particular case, the American bias against elites is being compounded by bias against foreigners. An American president should rightly put America first, but that should include the recognition that we are inextricably part of a political, economic, and even ecological network that is worldwide in scope.
America may be first, but it is not alone. When it pretends that it is, it is abdicating its leadership to those who can recognize reality… notably the Chinese, the Russians, and the EU. I would guess that the Brexit advocates are reassessing the idea that the US will be a more reliable partner than Europe. If the US Goovernment considers itself no more bound by treaty obligations than other Trump companies have been committed to pay their debts, America cannot be relied on.
Sad.
CO2 == plant food. Plants LOVE CO2 and it makes them grow. Plants also love warmer climates, not colder ones. When plants grow they pump more OXYGEN into the atmosphere. Oxygen is good for humans. WARMING is GOOD for plants. Not bad for them. In fact, we need MORE global warming so that plants can produce MORE O2 for humans to breathe. O2 is GOOD for life, not bad for life. MORE CO2 is GOOD for earth’s climate and GOOD for humans because it helps plants grow and emit more O2. Plants, which emit beneficial O2 for humans LOVE a hothouse environment in which to grow. WE NEED MORE GLOBAL WARMING!
You’re on a roll! Go …
uh, you forgot about that other pollutant that plants exude:
FOOD!!!
lol
Even without climate change you’d think someone who spends so much time on the golf course would be concerned about the air he breathes when on it.
Plants LOVE CO2 – it’s plant food.
Climate change is a communist front designed to shut down western industry. Google “Gorbachev Earth Charter”. Most Americans have no idea they are being manipulated by communist foreign powers.
Communism is still the largest threat facing humanity but most Americans have been “put to sleep” as Gorbachev predicted.
Under Clintons and O the USA went from the envy of the world to the laughingstock of the world. Most Asians are laughing at Americans for being so dumb as to give away their valuable industries.
The Chinese are VERY upset that Trump won because it means they will no longer be able to manipulate USA with impunity.
F Tim Cook…he can’t hit his püssy ass with both hands…a girl sent in for a man’s job.
Tim Cook happens to be the best CEO in the history of the human kind. He has been running the daily things in the company ever since he was hired by Steve Jobs. Steve hand picked him to take care of Apple Inc and Tim Cook has done magnificent job greating worlds first One Trillion Dollar Company. Tim Cook is rewriting the school books for the new generation of company leaders and business man.
Now fuck of and leave this site!
Reality Check: Yes, Steve picked Cook to RUN Apple. Steve built Apple into the greatest company of all time. Cook has built NOTHING! He is a liberal cause célèbre CARETAKER CEO. Nuff said …
Hey, Tim. What’s wrong for our planet?
Would that be a non-binding and non-enforcement climate agreement that allows the world’s largest polluter, that would be China, to have permission to build HUNDREDS of coal burning plants and not follow the agreement until 2030?
Liberalism is a mental disorder, thank you San Fran MS …
Hundreds of coal plants in China are going to need lots of coal. Looks like those U.S. coal jobs will be coming back and staying awhile, too!
You got that right …
Not saying you are correct… However your statements suggest the US could stand to be an accomplice to crimes against humanity and the natural world.
Are you serious?
No I am not serious, but you left it open so I proposed a possible answer for you…
Why? For creating more CO2 plant food? The world has never been as green and naturally beautiful as it is now. And the world is being fed, thanks in large part to a good source of CO2.
Why? For creating more CO2 plant food? The world has never been as green and naturally beautiful as it is now.
Actually fossil records show the temps were 78 deg. F, at or near the poles, millions of years ago. If someone could show that increased CO2 and for that matter O2 would make for a healthier planet, despite the loss of polar bears and penguins. I would be open to that discussion. You are the first, I have seen, to even consider rising CO2 as a positive spin, on MDN.
I propose, when I hear people complain about crime, that we have never lived in a more peaceful time, despite what is heard on the news.
Let’s take that stance here and now, regarding climate change. However we know more about yesterday than we know about tomorrow, and that is why we might suggest we keep global average temps, at zero gain.
dang, 147 downvotes, you beat me today on the Fake Libtard Lie-O-Meter.
congratulations. 🙂
Really? Typically don’t pay attention to ratings manipulation.
Sorry I beat the KING, but it’s only for one day … 😎
Hey Botty, do me a small favor. I just down voted myself to 149. Put me over at 150, please. I’d be honored, thanks in advance … 👍🏻
I would, but I had already upvoted you earlier…and since I don’t use phony voter bot, I can’t help you this time. 🙂
Fair enough, thanks.
I’ve got three options. Switch to my Mac to hit 150, or restart my iPhone, or wait on another Libtard. Option three … 🙏🏻
Dean, you can wipe that crap spewing out of your mouth from in here
https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=Fb7oPNxC&id=85D0FFB32E1E75515981CC012E3BCEDA1FDA10A3&thid=OIP.Fb7oPNxCobLEU-_7FjaOYwEsC-&q=graph+of+carbon+emmision+over+the+last+2+centuries&simid=608054481694428463&selectedIndex=5&PC=APPL
‘nough said
Plants LOVE CO2 – it’s plant food.
I think it’s a great thing that they are withdrawing from the climate deal, they certainly do not want to be a team player for planet Earth. You don’t have to look much further than that judge jury and executioner reaction to Sarin gas in Syria.
I mean they are signatories of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but take a look and see how many articles they blatantly violate.
http://www.un.org/en/universal-declaration-human-rights/
I think this will galvanize the rest of the nations on the planet and provide a much needed leadership, one that is peaceful, ethical and moral.
Gee, what a surprise. Another uninformed liberal that has a problem reading the fine print of the flawed climate agreement and only offers empty platitudes.
When you read the plan, obvious you have not, let me know …
Libtards don’t read, they “feel.”
Worse than that. They cannot discern TRUE reality from FAKE reality …
So botvinnik, is ‘Dean Clark’ your actual name?
I prefer to stick to scientific journals and raw data, because by the time ideas reach the mainstream media and politicians it often becomes distorted.
I don’t really care if it is a flawed agreement, climate control is in it’s infancy and certainly the accord falls short but it’s a start, in fact it’s an agreement. Over 190 countries, a very diverse selection have signed it.
All except Nicaragua who feels that the agreement does not do enough, Syria, in the thralls of a civil war and of course that terrorist nation who demonstrates once again it’s not a team player and certainly not interested in planet Earth.
Like I said, I hope it galvanizes the rest of the world, eyes are opening about the terroristic nature that arrogant self centered fifth rate nation.
The problem with science it is all over the map. I have read prominent PHDs from the conservative side of the aisle debunking the sloppy methodology as pandering to grant money and political pressure. These scientists have been hounded out of the media and never heard from again.
That is why I wrote early this morning does anyone know how much carbon the human race contributes to the atmosphere each year. Crickets …
Reason being, the truth would normally set you free, but in the case of global warming it does not fit the hyper narrative of the overblown and overheated left.
The Paris Accord that courageous President Donald J. Trump withdrew from will save U.S. Taxpayers BILLIONS. The lion share of the 190 nations with their hands out for government welfare. All the while mouthing feel good empty platitudes about saving the world. Most of these nations cannot sustain a viable economy or control borders, much less go GREEN. What a crock!
Where do you live, Aussie? The terrorist nation is coming …
That’s a great reply, thank you very much for making it. I agree that the climatology science is all over the map, not enough direct raw data, too much extrapolation and modeling. I looked up your question and I quickly got this.
Greenhouse gases: 2% of atmosphere
C02: 3.62% of greenhouse gases
C02 human produced: 3.4% of C02
Like that’s freaking small on the quantity scale, but one must not neglect the quality scale. There are times when small amounts count, it does not take much poison to threaten the body, and conversely it doesn’t take a lot of cure. To this point we do know that we have influenced the atmosphere with ozone depleting substances. Human activity having a direct impact on the UV radiation, now that’s a neat thing to know.
Either way the Earth has heated up and cooled down, she’s got her moods. Life has been resilient for a very long time and I’m convinced it will continue to do so regardless of the activities of any one individual species.
I never learned anything about politics, it is the purity of the raw data that is essential. I agree with saving you all that money and empty platitudes as a possibility. I also consider the possibility of a galvanization process, of serious efforts in researching alternative energy sources and uses. I can even see the leaders on the horizon, Nicaragua, who refused to sign the agreement as well because it said it did not go far enough. China as the biggest contributor is another, they live it so they certainly have the impetus and resources to research this area. I think the G6 and you now who along with other parts of Europe are also part of the process.
I’m from the free and civilized world and you are already here. It’s amazing to watch that dark cloud above their heads disappear after they are disarmed and have that stars and skid marks removed from their rectums. But hey, if you want to build a nice feathered wall around your country so you can all stay inside, that’s great by me. That’s why he is as you say, so courageous.
The first person to post CO2 levels contributed by mankind, thanks.
So you see boys and girls it is a miniscule amount and the Eath can handle it.
That said, certainly implement green policies and reduce admissions as much as possible.
The issue is more HOT AIR and peer pressure on scientists silencing dissenting views. As is the intolerant liberal way …
Insults and political affiliations aside, I enjoy intelligent exchanges. Again I agree with your statement “So you see boys and girls it is a miniscule amount and the Eath can handle it.”
The planet can certainly handle it, I’m not sure about all the species on the planet though, again it only takes a small amount of certain poisons to cause trauma to certain species.
Thanks, RW. I too enjoy a healthy exchange.
First Derek Currie pushed back about the change in coral. And now both of you have opened my eyes to CO2 sensitivity beyond the human race. I will pay closer attention, thanks to both of you …
I thank you too, as I said I enjoy an open honest exchange on the topic at hand. Derek has made some good points about the coral reef, it is a serious situation, along with the polar ice caps.
I’ll toss another tidbit into the C02 ideas that have been floating around. The amount of CO2 released into the atmosphere is tempered by the amount of CO2 removed from the atmosphere. The creatures that do that are plants, so the amount of forestation, deforestation, urban development also plays a role.
I think that governments being aware of the climate situation is important. The ozone hole is pretty clear evidence that humans can affect the atmosphere to a noticeable degree. I’m optimistic that we might find some ways of improving sustainable renewable energy for the future.
We’ll catch you around.
You bet, thanks …
UN is one of the biggest human rights violators on earth.
And China is the world’s worst gross polluter by a mile. But they are exempt from the regulations.
And climate change is and always will be a communist front designed to shut down western industry.
http://www.gcint.org/value-change/earth-charter/
Of course the UN is a joke, just look at where their headquarters are. On the other hand, the principles are valuable, that is if you actually follow them.
I know China is the greatest polluter, just ahead of Apple’s country. Both countries are exempt, one cause the Paris accord is voluntary and second the other country does not have what it takes to sign it.
Thank you for admitting the obvious that the UN is a joke. Liberals everywhere are still fully unaware and in denial. And no, it has nothing to do with the UN physical address Mr. Hate America. Relocate headquarters to Paris, Brussels or Rome and still the same toothless, money wasting symbolic joke and outdated relic of the Cold War …
Oh I think it does, I’d much rather see a rotating headquarters, too much influence of one nation considering where they are.
I don’t hate that nation by the way, after all, that’s not how the free and civilized world works, I’m not the one from a nation torturing people and invading countries on hallucinations and war mongering every chance they get. I’m simply pointing out where the hate comes from, so that hopefully it can be dealt with and get that once great country back on track. Great countries don’t torture, it’s as simple as that, but it’s the ones that do torture that are expressing hatred, not the ones pointing it out.
I would advocate the UN be disbanded for failure to improve and UNITE NATIONS.
Cold War relic, outdated, waste of funding and ineffective.
ISIS, Syria, China pollution, radical North Korea, Iran nukes — to name a few are nd what do they solve?
Nations pay billions for happy camera talk and settle for a world on fire.
As President Trump is fond of saying, “not good” …
Tim Cook, Steve’s worst mistake.
Sad, but true …
Go eat Butt.
Anytime I can illicit an insulting response from a clueless Libtard, two words.
Mission accomplished …
I was trying to be funny. I am glad I made you proud. First of all, I don’t attempt to be clueful, but want to learn. I am frustrated when empty statements are made without any attempt at making a valid argument. I don’t have to agree with what’s said, and I don’t have to be right. I want to know.
Fair enough and good to know you are open …
1) It’s elicit. Yes, I am an elitist, globalist, Ivy League wise ass who enjoys pointing out malapropisms used by supporters of the so-called.
2)https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/WorldOfChange/decadaltemp.php
Fake reality provided by our left wing scientists at NASA.
Thanks for grammar correction. Early morning oversight, or was it the spell checker? 😉
I don’t know NASA politics. What I do know is they worked under Obama the last eight years. The IRS under pleading the fifth Lois Lerner targeted conservative groups. Target NASA science? We may never know.
My faith in government institutions I once looked up to without question is seriously suspect …
Clueless libtards are driving the innovation and wealth of the country.
Please provide the number evidence. Opinions are overrated…
West Coast states plus Colorado to name a few have successfully transitioned to the new economy. They have gone their own way despite the dysfunction in DC. While rustbelt and southern states are mired in cultural identity politics, spending cuts to pay for tax cuts for the well off and not investing in human capital.
Scientists usually use FACTS not insults. Since libtards don’t use facts, they are UNSCIENTIFIC. Since they are UNSCIENTIFIC, they have no credibility in scientific debates.
Scientist who presents evidence humans don’t impact climate: “There is no scientific proof humans cause man-made global warming”
Libtard: “Shut up jackass!”
This is the “science” of liberals.
Liberalism is irrational and in direct opposition to science.
Well said! Agree 100%. Sorry Libtards, as usual you’ve got NOTHING …
It’s very peculiar how these right-wing nut jobs “believe” in the scientists who develop the science that runs their phones, makes their clothes, builds and decorates their homes, finds new medicines, and on and on… but choose (somehow) to single out this one area of science for scorn. (Or also one other – evolution – if they’re a fanatical fundementalist Christian or Muslim.)
Mainly because it remains UNPROVEN. Most scientists know the difference between a scientific theory and proof but today climate change remains merely a theory without proof. Show us the proof that it is CAUSED by humans and we’ll all get onboard. Temperature data is not proof that it is CAUSED by humans, merely proof that there is temperature change.
Go ahead blind Trump followers. Go and destroy your land.
All the $$$ you’ll get won’t buy back anything.
Well, looks like the president wants to leave the technological leadership to China and Europe… Strange move for someone who pretends doing the best for American workers.
“Well, looks like the president wants to leave the technological leadership to China and Europe…”
Painfully obvious you have NOT READ the 20-page Paris Accord.
President Donald J. Trump leaves the world polluter leadership to China. There, I fixed it for you.
You do know that China is the world’s largest polluter. You do know that China gets a pass and does NOT have to follow the non-binding, non-enforced agreement until 2030. You do know that China gets another pass and is in the process of building hundreds of coal burning power plants by 2030. You do know that the U.S. Taxpayers were on the hook to pay the lion share of money and what it is used for, goes to whom, and who exactly monitors and enforces compliance. Hmmm?
You’re part of the left wing panic mode overreaction. Please close your overheated mouths, you are contributing to climate change. You’re also more interested in symbolic achievement that accomplished what, exactly?
Please list the resounding number of achievements since Obama signed the agreement a year ago. We are breathlessly waiting …
Hate to confuse the issue with facts, but China has cancelled well over a hundred coal power plants, including some that were already under construction, and isn’t planning any more. They are building more renewable energy facilities than any other country.
The proportion of Chinese electricity generated from coal peaked two years ago and will continue to fall. However, because their population is still rising, so is total energy consumption. The existing coal plants, cars, etc. will continue producing CO2 until they are replaced. That means that the absolute levels of CO2 produced in China will not begin falling until 2030.
Those are their goals, and by implementing them, they are not “getting a pass,” but doing exactly what the Paris Agreement requires. The Agreement asks both the US and China (“asks,” since it is not mandatory) to contribute to the fund to help smaller nations comply. Unlike the United States, China has agreed to commitments that will ensure that it does not net a single yuan or dollar from the fund.
Repeat the mantra: “I am entitled to my own opinions. I am not entitled to my own facts.”
Not interested in your opinion. What China says and what China does is all that matters.
China leads the world in pollution. Breathing mask, anyone?
Whats the matter snowflake? Facts get in the way?
You’re a bad joke that has a reading comprehension problem. And a selective half-truth hit whore pimping the LIBERAL line. Enjoy your fantasies …
Trump thinks he withdrew from the Paris accord, but US cities and businesses will continue to comply with it, except now we have no influence and no vote. All he did was emasculate the United States.
Thank you Tim!
No thanks to the head-up-their-backside propaganda suckers around here. You’re painting the world with manure.
…and we are using you to pose as the model.
Please do continue to troll me…
So, here’s what we have today. The reality is that America has now officially left the Paris Climate Accord and, officially, will not abide by it. The political message is that the president is delivering is that America’s economy is more important than any possible future damage that the country may or may not cause due to not following the pledge of the agreement. American conservatives are ejaculating over this (we can see this quite plainly on this forum), and the president’s base is as energised as ever.
The practical result will be very much different. Apparently, within hours from the announcement, most of the large cities in the US, as well as two governers, plus many of the largest US companies, reiterated their own pledge to completely abide by the pledges of the Accord, and they are even trying to figure out how to submit the annual report to the relevant UN body (per the Accord).
American business don’t really like to be involved with domestic politics if they can help it. Their primary responsibility has always been with their shareholders, so anything and everything they do is primarily driven by the goal of increasing shareholder value and pleasing them. More importantly, large percentage of American companies’ profits is generated overseas. American withdrawal from the Paris Accord now has a very clear and immediate effect: the world no longer respects the country. The amount of commerce that will be lost due to this will be significantly greater than what would be generated by all those recovered coal and oil jobs that Trump had promised. Companies in EU and other developed markets (primary importers of US goods and services) have fairly strict legal limitations regarding environmental impact of their trading partners, especially since the Paris Accord. If your country isn’t a signatory to the accord, your company cannot work with companies in EU, unless you prove that your company is actually following the requirements of the accord.
And most importantly, America has given up its leading role in the discussion on climate change and all the action related to it. The Paris Accord was such a weak document (according to the environmental scientists) precisely because America was very much involved in crafting it. Now that they are out, the next similar document that comes up for negotiation will be much stricter, if the US continues on the same course. While the government may not be a party to it, American companies will have to, or lose business with the rest of the world.
America is not alone in the world, and cannot exist alone. This will very soon become quite painfully obvious to everyone (except Trump, perhaps).
I offer you reality. Here in Ontario, we have a carbon tax. It rears it’s ugly head on any purchase that depends on power generation. That is basically…everything. It only adds to the cost of living, picking our pockets once more and doing nothing for the environment. Another tax hiding behind the myth that SOMEHOW, paying more for everything somehow saves the planet!
And exactly what happens to that carbon tax money? Does it simply disappear into a black hole? Well, it doesn’t. According to the Canadian government site, the carbon tax goes into the government budget, just like any regular tax. This means that for every dollar that carbon tax collects, one less dollar needs to be collected through other taxation.
In other words, you aren’t taxed any more than you were before; the only difference is that the taxation burden was shifted more towards polluters.
So, to explain this (for the slow ones in the back row), when you tax polluters more than you tax others, their cost of doing business becomes higher, which makes them less competitive against the non-polluters. Which motivates them to seek solutions that pollute less. For each step of reduction of their carbon emissions, their business will save on carbon taxes.
THAT is how you save your planet with the carbon tax.
Since there are so many slow ones, I will also point out that if the taxed polluters choose to pass the extra taxes through to their consumers (which they probably will), it will result in their products being priced higher than the competition.
Consumers who choose to pay the higher prices should not be blaming the government, but either the vendor who is charging them for doing business with a polluter or themselves, for not choosing a cheaper and less polluting competing product.
“In other words, you aren’t taxed any more than you were before;”
How comforting.
“the only difference is that the taxation burden was shifted more towards polluters.”
Like sherm66?!?
It goes into a black hole known here as the Liberal government! That is utter bullshit. This is hidden as they are afraid to show the taxpayer just how much this will negatively affect us all. There are access to information documents that show that the current government did not even do an impact study on just how much this will effect our economy. They just jumped in for the sake of additional revenue, as they are a bunch of spending crazy fools. Pure idiocy.
“Pure idiocy.”
Indeed. Amen, brother.
Whenever liberal governments get their hands on additional tax dollars, a reasonable person would ask, what do they do with it?
Was it well spent? Did it solve the problem? Or did they pay off their supporters through selective grants, programs, et al.
We all know the wasted spending answer …
“The Chinese are on American soil for one reason, they are being integrated into an international “peacekeeping force”, formerly known as the RIMPAC war games, which will eventually be controlled by the United Nations. This is where the formal integration of American-based Chinese military forces into an international “peace keeping force” will become official…. This will mark the first time that the communist regime, that is responsible for murdering more innocent people than any other country in human history…”
Most carbon taxes go to fund the UN Army which is being built by China. Once big enough, it will impose its will on every nation on earth. All you free businessmen in the west, this is what you are advocating. Enjoy!
http://www.chinaafricaproject.com/podcast-china-south-sudan-africa-antony-loewenstein/
Your carbon taxes, coming for you next:
Your honor, Exhibit A courtesy of sherm66.
In a New York minute — case dismissed!
Trump triumphs …
From the estimates on price of carbon emissions per ton, the Liberal government’s target is $70 within 5 years. This idiocy is expected to rise gas prices dramatically and add up to $2,000 to $3,000 per year in increased taxes to the average middle class household. With no proof man can control temperatures…and for damn sure taxes can’t!
Your last sentence says it ALL.
All this overbearing tax money shift away from household pocketbooks and by law forced into government coffers, for what?
It is chilling and alarming to read no accountability exists for government redistribution of taxpayer dollars to an imagined cause célèbre. Sorry to hear that.
Government accountability? Better yet, liberal government accountability? Oxymoron GRANDE!
Here in the U.S. we endured eight years of empty words and a government spending spree that enlarged the national debt more than all the other presidents combined since George Washington.
No liberal outrage? No liberal media outrage? No accountability mechanism for taxpayers?
Gee, what a surprise…
Carbon taxes are a communist ploy to shut down western industry. No industry, no defense. No defense in the west is what communists want.
Google “Gorbachev Earth Charter”.
Just like when Al Gore got new taxes passed on air travel to make it more expensive then built a power-sucking mansion in Alabama complete with 3 30″ Apple displays sucking down huge amounts of electricity.
I listened to Trumps entire speech I though he made a really good argument for his position. I see a lot of leaders disappointed in the decision but i haven’t seen any who refute the arguments Trump made.
It also puts to rest the notion that Ivanka and Jared control his decision-making.
I didn’t listen to it, but I read the transcript. Then I fact-checked it.
Trump said many outright fallacies there. Especially with the numbers he is “quoting”. There are so many, it is difficult to even summarise, but the overall point is that:
The impact on the US economy is projected to be much, much smaller than he said;
The US contributions to the Green Fund are much smaller than he said, and the official web site clearly states where the money goes (and a lot of it is used to purchase equipment and expertise from the US);
The possible contribution to the energy needs of any future coal power producers are greatly exaggerated;
US is still bigger polluter than China…
There were many other inaccuracies, and there are several fine sites that fact-check and debunk most of it with plenty of links to legitimate sources of data.
Trump said many things, but the one important thing that he did NOT say is that climate change is a hoax. In fact, for the most part, he actually agreed that the world has to do something about the environment, and his main argument was that the US is getting a bad deal out of the agreement.
Trump was never a good businessman. Where he lacked in business acumen, he made up for in sheer ruthlessness (stiffing contractors for payment, declaring bankruptcies, etc). While he things withdrawing from, or renegotiating the Paris Accord is good for American economy, he will soon find out that it actually isn’t.
All that money saved by withdrawing will be lost from the loss of business for American companies overseas. Make no mistake, a country that is NOT a party to the Climate Accord will have a hard time doing business elsewhere in the world. Everyone will require proof that your business is environmentally responsible. So, while America may leave the Climate Accord, Americans will still have to abide by it, if they want to export their goods and services.
As I said, America is NOT alone in this world, and cannot exist by itself.
Thank you, Al.
Sane, succinct, complete …
Can Apple focus on making their products great! Period.
Apple MUST take a very public stand here, or they will risk losing a lot of business overseas.
The world has (contrary to what Trump and his followers think) completely lost all respect for America. Those who haven’t in Novemeber, have yesterday. While this may be of no interest to your average American Joe Sixpack, it is of critical importance to American companies doing business overseas. And many of those companies will now have to convince their business partners abroad that yes, while the country may have left the Paris Accord, they (the company) plans to stick to every single line-item requirement of that accord, and will have full transparency on the issue.
Apple had to clearly remind the world that they can continue doing business with them, that the company remains committed to environmentally sound business practices, regardless of what their home country does.
Enforce the environmental laws already in place. This does nothing.
Oh, it certainly does! If Apple did nothing, they’d lose plenty of big contracts overseas, from companies that by law now must require environmental impact for all of their partners.
Remember, we aren’t debating climate change here (that is for people who actually know what they’re talking about; nether you nor I are climate scientists). We are debating the impact Trump’s exist from Paris Accord will have on US economy.
Cook and Apple should stay out of politics. From the time of the big bang nothing has remained the same. Change is inexorable. We should expect the climate to change, man made or not. I saw on TV the other day an environmentalist complaining about disappearing species in the world today. If the environmentalists had their way millions of years ago, they would have tried to stop climate change to save the dinosaurs.
This is absolute nonsense, but even if it weren’t, it is not material to the discussion here. We aren’t debating the climate change.
We are talking about the consequences of US withdrawal from the Climate Accord. And those consequences will be very negative, unless US companies that export their produce/service overseas decide to actually stick to the Climate Accord themselves, and have documented proof that they are abiding by it.
“We are talking about the consequences of US withdrawal from the Climate Accord. And those consequences will be very negative …”
Please detail specific negatives.
I’ll save you time. There are NONE. Hot liberal air will not accomplish anything …
Your mind is clearly made up, so no amount of verifiable facts will change it, so answering is fairly futile.
For the sake of other readers, as I had explained above, American companies will find it much harder to do business overseas if they don’t comply to the letter with the Paris Accord. Foreign governments will find it much more difficult to do any business with the US, if they cannot expect them to honour agreements. US does not live in a vacuum. It cannot survive alone in the world. While the US continues to burn coal and oil, the rest of the world has is figuring out how to make power with sun, wind, hydro. Most EU countries already generate most of their power with renewable sources. In other words, while the US is still riding in horse-drawn carriages, the world is perfecting an automobile.
“We are talking about the consequences of US withdrawal from the Climate Accord. And those consequences will be very negative …”
I REPEAT: Please detail specific negatives …
Are you truly that slow or are pretending to be dumb?
Most EU and other developed economies require their companies to adhere to the Paris Accord. They also require all of the foreign ones they deal with to do it. American companies that don’t adhere to the Paris Agreement will LOSE their export business as a result.
Another very significant factor is domestic energy jobs. Trump’s big campaign issue was coal jobs, which he keeps talking about and promising to bring back. What he isn’t saying is that the renewable energy sector jobs are growing faster, and the current number of jobs in this sector is over three times greater than coal (which is shrinking, as coal is becoming increasingly more costly to exploit, and renewables are increasingly more efficient). So, with Trump’s policy, West Virginia will be happy, because a few thousand coal miners will get to work again, while hundreds of thousands of jobs in renewable industry will likely be jeopardised.
There is only one positive with Trump’s withdrawal from the Accord: Trump has re-energised his base (as small as it may be).
Earth to PreDrag.
Your comments are irrelevant.
The U.S. ship sailed yesterday and taking with it billions in savings by rejecting the flawed and uneven accountability accord — President Donald J. Trump will MAGA! …
Mr. Gore, it’s past 2014, and we haven’t all melted yet. Go to El Paso and look over into Mexico and see the smoke rising into the air. I’ve been to China 3 times, and the air is NOT clean at all.
The USA can take measures to help our air and environment WITHOUT being involved in the Paris agreement that gives the top polluters a free pass. Billions saved by USA to use for the USA. You can’t negotiate with rattlesnakes.
I heard a Republican politician say that carbon dioxide is not harmful, because our bodies produce it and plant life thrives on it. You could say the same thing about poop.
Bravo, Tim! From their commitment, they will never waver. From their corporate policy, they will never waiver.
My dog threw up, and you know what he did next. It reminded me of people who vote Republican and are horrified at the results. Then they vote Republican again.
All I know is I wish Cook would just focus on Apple’s business and stop meddling in politics. Unless he plans to run for public office.
orenokoto,
That is only a viable business strategy if politics would stop meddling in Apple’s business. In fact, every country in the world except Syria has indicated that it places a higher priority on reducing carbon emissions than the United States (Nicaragua is also a non-signatory to the Paris Accords, but only because it didn’t think they went far enough). Most of them are quite serious about enforcing their national policies.
Many of those countries are going to place restrictions on American companies that cannot demonstrate their efforts to reduce emissions. That is why other large businesses like ExxonMobile have been just as vocal as Apple in declaring that they will not slacken their efforts just because America has decided to exit the Paris Accords. The American multi-national companies like Apple and ExxonMobile get most of their income from overseas, and have no choice other than to comply.
“That is only a viable business strategy if politics would stop meddling in Apple’s business.”
What are you saying? Apple is self righteously allowed to spew liberal politics at will and that’s just dandy without repercussions?
But stop politics from meddling in Apple’s business. Have your cake and eat it too, eh.
OK, I’ll bite — make your case prosecutor. I don’t see politics meddling in Apple business. Other than overbearing corporate taxation and regulations championed by your party …
Dude, you are slow as the Appalachians I deal with on a daily basis. “That’s your education talking…: echo chamber..
Finally! A smug elitist put down! Oh, you’re so superior and smart and live and hang in all the right liberal places. How nice …
Haven’t found a liberal place in Appalachia, what ever that means. Or are you referring to a place that has plumbing and running water?
Obsessed over Apallachia much? No liberal place for you in the green mountains? Now that’s just too bad …
GoeB,
Every country in the world except Syria and the United States has made a political decision to substantially cut carbon emissions. While green policies are good business in the long run, they can be expensive in the short run, so many companies would not comply with that policy voluntarily.
So, all but two countries in the world have adopted laws and regulations that will require companies operating in their countries to comply in time with the national policy to cut emissions. If you define government regulation as “meddling” or “interference,” that is just what is happening almost everywhere.
Clearly, those countries are not going to impose their rules on domestic companies and then allow foreign companies to come in and sell cheap unregulated products that will drive the more costly domestic goods off the market.
Therefore, companies in Syria and the United States that want to do business anywhere else in the world will be required to document their efforts to reduce their carbon footprint before they are allowed to sell their goods or provide their services.
By definition, multinational corporations like Apple cannot limit their activities to just the United States; most earn the majority of their revenue in countries that will still be “meddling” if that is what you choose to call the regulation of carbon emissions. Nothing Mr. Trump did this week changes that.
So, Apple does not have the luxury to ignore politics, because political decisions profoundly affect the ability of the company to carry on its business. As I said, and you pretended not to understand, Apple can only stop concerning itself with politics when politics stops affecting Apple… which will never happen.
And for the record, my party does not champion overbearing corporate taxation and regulations. Have you not noticed by now that there are still a significant number of Republicans who have neither bought into the Alt-Right agenda nor rejected science-based policymaking?
The party has not yet organized a body of storm troopers to drive out dissenting members. If we vote in Republican primaries, we are Republicans. You can call me a fake conservative or Republican in Name Only, but know that I feel the same about people like you who advocate an authoritarian Executive Branch without any effective checks or balances.
I made a simple point that when Apple engages in liberal politics, and naturally, therefore, politics by equal reaction engages Apple. That’s it. Normal and how the world turns.
You don’t address the problem point upfront and directly and go off on tedious paragraph after paragraph of unrelated issues that are off topic.
Are you lonely? Or just making a little extra money (per word) on the side working for the Democrats?
I’m sorry to read you’re having a total meltdown over President Trump withdrawing from the Paris Accord. It will be OK.
And of course, once again, you can’t help yourself in a rush to judgement to indict me according to your liberal playbook. Whatever, FAKE you know who …
What is the current current exchange rate for rubles into dollars? I expect you know, since bashing China and undermining the United States has only one obvious beneficiary. At the rate the Administration is going, all of us need to get ready to exchange our currency.
Trump has expressly abdicated our country’s status as “Leader of the Free World.” That was the real message in his Pittsburg over Paris speech. We Americans will look out for Number One and run over anybody who gets in our way, because Greed is Good. Pumping America’s stock by seeking short-term gains is the way to go, because somebody else can deal with the long-term consequences. Screw the planet, because most of it is outside the United States. We can build walls against foreigners and the rising tides.
Our fearless Leader went on a tour last month in which he attacked our strongest allies and cuddled up to the treasurers for the Sunni terrorists who have been attacking the West for over thirty years. The 9/11 attackers were mostly Saudi nationals. When did you ever hear of a Shiite terrorist outside the Middle East? How about a terrorist from a recognized country that treats its women and minorities worse than Saudi Arabia?
In contrast, the NATO countries that Trump disdains are the same ones that declared unanimously that the attack on the US was an attack on them. Many of those countries have been at war in Afghanistan for nearly two decades, shedding their blood for us. Trump has now openly refused to promise that the US would reciprocate if they were attacked by his pal Mr. Putin.
You may think I’m a fake conservative, but at least I’m not a fake patriot. Perhaps “covfefe” is a synonym for “levying war against the United States or giving aid and comfort to its enemies.” You know the other word for that, right?
Tedious and off topic once again, FAKE conservative …
Except China and India. They are exempt from the accords. China is the world’s biggest gross polluter by a mile but Cook has no problem manufacturing Apple products there without a peep.
Clueless Cook is going to get a peep out of me. Hey, Tim. You are a climate HYPOCRITE!
In the video below I hate this guys attitude but the situation in china is really bad. Skip his smug comments and jump to 1:30. The Pairs accord allows china to grow their carbon output until 2030. You can be for responsible care of the environment and not support the Paris accord.
More lies from the POTUS, weakening the nation because he and his followers are too stupid to understand.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-trump-mit-idUSKBN18S6L0
more name calling to show your true nature
Click to access chinas-contributions-paris-climate-agreement.pdf
China committed to the following actions by 2030:
• Peaking of carbon dioxide emissions around 2030 and making best efforts to peak early;
Isn’t it amazing how many overheated protesters DO NOT UNDERSTAND the basics of the Paris Accord.
It is a 20-page guideline for chrissake! Non-binding, non-enforcement, feel good fleecing of U.S. Taxpayers on the hook for the lion share of redistribution money.
No accounting for tangible results, no oversight, no enforcement mechanism.
Just Libtard media happy talk … no thanks.
Among the “libtards” who are concerned with climate issues is the U.S. military:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-climatechange-military-idUSKBN18T2YF?il=0
I think we should perhaps ask the Administration whether their rejection of the Paris Accords also includes suspension of the ongoing military contingency planning for the consequences of climate change. The runways at Diego Garcia are only four feet above the current sea level on a calm day, and high tides sometimes submerge the main road to the Norfolk Naval Station. Droughts and other extreme weather have already had a significant effect on international stability. If we are going to stick our heads in the sand concerning civilian matters, are we going to do the same concerning military threats?
China is the world’s worst gross polluter by a mile. But they are always exempt from the regulations. Global warming is nothing but a ploy by loser nations to slow down and limit western industrial growth and prowess. When you can’t beat your competitors just manipulate them into shutting down their industries based on some fake science.
Most libtards are too stupid to understand that global warming has been a communist front from day one. Google “Gorbachev Earth Charter”.
Anyone who doesn’t toe the new world order communist line is attacked. Global warming and environmentalism are communist fronts. Google “Gorbachev Earth Charter”. All this fake international cooperation is a communist front.
Global Warming hysteria is a communist ploy to shut down western industry because without industry a nation cannot have defense either. China is the world’s worst gross polluter by a mile but they and other communist countries are always exempt from the regulations. Odd. Why is it only the free countries that are subject to shutting down of industry. Because without industry there can be no defense and no defense is just what the communist countries want.
“Interestingly, in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook event, the Communist Chinese called for more strict controls over American guns. What? Why would the most repressive regime on the planet, the Communist Chinese, care about gun control in America? Because an emerging set of developments would indicate that the Chinese are going to be spearheading, along with the Russians, gun confiscation on American soil as part of an global martial law force. And since the Chinese military has such a heinous reputation, one can assume that they will be carrying out gun confiscation with extreme prejudice”.
What brand of tin foil did you purchase?
It isn’t working. The radio waves from Mars relayed through Infowars are still getting through.
The sad part is that the infowars dude doesn’t believe in the shit he says. It’s all a act to earn a living. He even voted for ’44’ and was freaking out on election 2012 fearing Romney would win.
All the Chinese have to do is cut off the supply of ammo. Problem solved.