“Most U.S. corporate bosses have stayed silent on President Donald Trump’s immigration curbs, underscoring the sensitivities around opposing policies that could provoke a backlash from the White House,” Devika Krishna Kumar and Ross Kerber report for Reuters. “While the leaders of Apple Inc, Google and Facebook Inc emailed their staff to denounce the suspension of the U.S. refugee program and the halting of arrivals from seven Muslim-majority countries, many of their counterparts in other industries either declined comment or responded with company statements reiterating their commitment to diversity.”
“Representatives of Citigroup Inc, Bank of America Corp and Morgan Stanley declined to comment on Trump’s immigration order. Wells Fargo & Co said in a statement that it was reviewing the executive order and its implications for staff and its business,” Kumar and Kerber report. “To be sure, some CEOs were more outspoken… But many boardrooms kept quiet. Representatives for some energy companies, including Exxon Mobil Corp, for example, declined to comment.”
“Many in corporate America are still trying to work out how to deal with a new government that takes a more conservative stance on some social issues and has an anti-globalization platform,” Kumar and Kerber report. “Those non-tech companies that did issue statements over the weekend tended to emphasize their role as good corporate citizens rather than openly criticize Trump’s policies.”
MacDailyNews Take: President Trump’s executive order, verbatim:
Protecting The Nation From Foreign Terrorist Entry Into The United States
President TrumpBy the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and laws of the United States of America, including the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA), 8 U.S.C. 1101 et seq., and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, and to protect the American people from terrorist attacks by foreign nationals admitted to the United States, it is hereby ordered as follows:
Section 1. Purpose. The visa-issuance process plays a crucial role in detecting individuals with terrorist ties and stopping them from entering the United States. Perhaps in no instance was that more apparent than the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, when State Department policy prevented consular officers from properly scrutinizing the visa applications of several of the 19 foreign nationals who went on to murder nearly 3,000 Americans. And while the visa-issuance process was reviewed and amended after the September 11 attacks to better detect would-be terrorists from receiving visas, these measures did not stop attacks by foreign nationals who were admitted to the United States.
Numerous foreign-born individuals have been convicted or implicated in terrorism-related crimes since September 11, 2001, including foreign nationals who entered the United States after receiving visitor, student, or employment visas, or who entered through the United States refugee resettlement program. Deteriorating conditions in certain countries due to war, strife, disaster, and civil unrest increase the likelihood that terrorists will use any means possible to enter the United States. The United States must be vigilant during the visa-issuance process to ensure that those approved for admission do not intend to harm Americans and that they have no ties to terrorism.
In order to protect Americans, the United States must ensure that those admitted to this country do not bear hostile attitudes toward it and its founding principles. The United States cannot, and should not, admit those who do not support the Constitution, or those who would place violent ideologies over American law. In addition, the United States should not admit those who engage in acts of bigotry or hatred (including “honor” killings, other forms of violence against women, or the persecution of those who practice religions different from their own) or those who would oppress Americans of any race, gender, or sexual orientation.
Sec. 2. Policy. It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.
Sec. 3. Suspension of Issuance of Visas and Other Immigration Benefits to Nationals of Countries of Particular Concern. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall immediately conduct a review to determine the information needed from any country to adjudicate any visa, admission, or other benefit under the INA (adjudications) in order to determine that the individual seeking the benefit is who the individual claims to be and is not a security or public-safety threat.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence, shall submit to the President a report on the results of the review described in subsection (a) of this section, including the Secretary of Homeland Security’s determination of the information needed for adjudications and a list of countries that do not provide adequate information, within 30 days of the date of this order. The Secretary of Homeland Security shall provide a copy of the report to the Secretary of State and the Director of National Intelligence.
(c) To temporarily reduce investigative burdens on relevant agencies during the review period described in subsection (a) of this section, to ensure the proper review and maximum utilization of available resources for the screening of foreign nationals, and to ensure that adequate standards are established to prevent infiltration by foreign terrorists or criminals, pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).
(d) Immediately upon receipt of the report described in subsection (b) of this section regarding the information needed for adjudications, the Secretary of State shall request all foreign governments that do not supply such information to start providing such information regarding their nationals within 60 days of notification.
(e) After the 60-day period described in subsection (d) of this section expires, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of State, shall submit to the President a list of countries recommended for inclusion on a Presidential proclamation that would prohibit the entry of foreign nationals (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas) from countries that do not provide the information requested pursuant to subsection (d) of this section until compliance occurs.
(f) At any point after submitting the list described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Homeland Security may submit to the President the names of any additional countries recommended for similar treatment.
(g) Notwithstanding a suspension pursuant to subsection (c) of this section or pursuant to a Presidential proclamation described in subsection (e) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may, on a case-by-case basis, and when in the national interest, issue visas or other immigration benefits to nationals of countries for which visas and benefits are otherwise blocked.
(h) The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall submit to the President a joint report on the progress in implementing this order within 30 days of the date of this order, a second report within 60 days of the date of this order, a third report within 90 days of the date of this order, and a fourth report within 120 days of the date of this order.
Sec. 4. Implementing Uniform Screening Standards for All Immigration Programs. (a) The Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation shall implement a program, as part of the adjudication process for immigration benefits, to identify individuals seeking to enter the United States on a fraudulent basis with the intent to cause harm, or who are at risk of causing harm subsequent to their admission. This program will include the development of a uniform screening standard and procedure, such as in-person interviews; a database of identity documents proffered by applicants to ensure that duplicate documents are not used by multiple applicants; amended application forms that include questions aimed at identifying fraudulent answers and malicious intent; a mechanism to ensure that the applicant is who the applicant claims to be; a process to evaluate the applicant’s likelihood of becoming a positively contributing member of society and the applicant’s ability to make contributions to the national interest; and a mechanism to assess whether or not the applicant has the intent to commit criminal or terrorist acts after entering the United States.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security, in conjunction with the Secretary of State, the Director of National Intelligence, and the Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of this directive within 60 days of the date of this order, a second report within 100 days of the date of this order, and a third report within 200 days of the date of this order.
Sec. 5. Realignment of the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for Fiscal Year 2017. (a) The Secretary of State shall suspend the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program (USRAP) for 120 days. During the 120-day period, the Secretary of State, in conjunction with the Secretary of Homeland Security and in consultation with the Director of National Intelligence, shall review the USRAP application and adjudication process to determine what additional procedures should be taken to ensure that those approved for refugee admission do not pose a threat to the security and welfare of the United States, and shall implement such additional procedures. Refugee applicants who are already in the USRAP process may be admitted upon the initiation and completion of these revised procedures. Upon the date that is 120 days after the date of this order, the Secretary of State shall resume USRAP admissions only for nationals of countries for which the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Homeland Security, and the Director of National Intelligence have jointly determined that such additional procedures are adequate to ensure the security and welfare of the United States.
(b) Upon the resumption of USRAP admissions, the Secretary of State, in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security, is further directed to make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. Where necessary and appropriate, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall recommend legislation to the President that would assist with such prioritization.
(c) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of nationals of Syria as refugees is detrimental to the interests of the United States and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I have determined that sufficient changes have been made to the USRAP to ensure that admission of Syrian refugees is consistent with the national interest.
(d) Pursuant to section 212(f) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182(f), I hereby proclaim that the entry of more than 50,000 refugees in fiscal year 2017 would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and thus suspend any such entry until such time as I determine that additional admissions would be in the national interest.
(e) Notwithstanding the temporary suspension imposed pursuant to subsection (a) of this section, the Secretaries of State and Homeland Security may jointly determine to admit individuals to the United States as refugees on a case-by-case basis, in their discretion, but only so long as they determine that the admission of such individuals as refugees is in the national interest — including when the person is a religious minority in his country of nationality facing religious persecution, when admitting the person would enable the United States to conform its conduct to a preexisting international agreement, or when the person is already in transit and denying admission would cause undue hardship — and it would not pose a risk to the security or welfare of the United States.
(f) The Secretary of State shall submit to the President an initial report on the progress of the directive in subsection (b) of this section regarding prioritization of claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution within 100 days of the date of this order and shall submit a second report within 200 days of the date of this order.
(g) It is the policy of the executive branch that, to the extent permitted by law and as practicable, State and local jurisdictions be granted a role in the process of determining the placement or settlement in their jurisdictions of aliens eligible to be admitted to the United States as refugees. To that end, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall examine existing law to determine the extent to which, consistent with applicable law, State and local jurisdictions may have greater involvement in the process of determining the placement or resettlement of refugees in their jurisdictions, and shall devise a proposal to lawfully promote such involvement.
Sec. 6. Rescission of Exercise of Authority Relating to the Terrorism Grounds of Inadmissibility. The Secretaries of State and Homeland Security shall, in consultation with the Attorney General, consider rescinding the exercises of authority in section 212 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1182, relating to the terrorism grounds of inadmissibility, as well as any related implementing memoranda.
Sec. 7. Expedited Completion of the Biometric Entry-Exit Tracking System. (a) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall expedite the completion and implementation of a biometric entry-exit tracking system for all travelers to the United States, as recommended by the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
(b) The Secretary of Homeland Security shall submit to the President periodic reports on the progress of the directive contained in subsection (a) of this section. The initial report shall be submitted within 100 days of the date of this order, a second report shall be submitted within 200 days of the date of this order, and a third report shall be submitted within 365 days of the date of this order. Further, the Secretary shall submit a report every 180 days thereafter until the system is fully deployed and operational.
Sec. 8. Visa Interview Security. (a) The Secretary of State shall immediately suspend the Visa Interview Waiver Program and ensure compliance with section 222 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1222, which requires that all individuals seeking a nonimmigrant visa undergo an in-person interview, subject to specific statutory exceptions.
(b) To the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, the Secretary of State shall immediately expand the Consular Fellows Program, including by substantially increasing the number of Fellows, lengthening or making permanent the period of service, and making language training at the Foreign Service Institute available to Fellows for assignment to posts outside of their area of core linguistic ability, to ensure that non-immigrant visa-interview wait times are not unduly affected.
Sec. 9. Visa Validity Reciprocity. The Secretary of State shall review all nonimmigrant visa reciprocity agreements to ensure that they are, with respect to each visa classification, truly reciprocal insofar as practicable with respect to validity period and fees, as required by sections 221(c) and 281 of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1201(c) and 1351, and other treatment. If a country does not treat United States nationals seeking nonimmigrant visas in a reciprocal manner, the Secretary of State shall adjust the visa validity period, fee schedule, or other treatment to match the treatment of United States nationals by the foreign country, to the extent practicable.
Sec. 10. Transparency and Data Collection. (a) To be more transparent with the American people, and to more effectively implement policies and practices that serve the national interest, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Attorney General, shall, consistent with applicable law and national security, collect and make publicly available within 180 days, and every 180 days thereafter:
(i) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been charged with terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; convicted of terrorism-related offenses while in the United States; or removed from the United States based on terrorism-related activity, affiliation, or material support to a terrorism-related organization, or any other national security reasons since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later;
(ii) information regarding the number of foreign nationals in the United States who have been radicalized after entry into the United States and engaged in terrorism-related acts, or who have provided material support to terrorism-related organizations in countries that pose a threat to the United States, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and
(iii) information regarding the number and types of acts of gender-based violence against women, including honor killings, in the United States by foreign nationals, since the date of this order or the last reporting period, whichever is later; and
(iv) any other information relevant to public safety and security as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security and the Attorney General, including information on the immigration status of foreign nationals charged with major offenses.
(b) The Secretary of State shall, within one year of the date of this order, provide a report on the estimated long-term costs of the USRAP at the Federal, State, and local levels.
Sec. 11. General Provisions. (a) Nothing in this order shall be construed to impair or otherwise affect:
(i) the authority granted by law to an executive department or agency, or the head thereof; or
(ii) the functions of the Director of the Office of Management and Budget relating to budgetary, administrative, or legislative proposals.
(b) This order shall be implemented consistent with applicable law and subject to the availability of appropriations.
(c) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by any party against the United States, its departments, agencies, or entities, its officers, employees, or agents, or any other person.
Trudeau not only has egg on his face, he has blood on his hands.
The shooter openly admitted he was a Trump minion. I hardly believe the blood is on Trudeau’s hands, but it falls directly on the insightful Trump! Wear it in good health.
You may well have a point there, but I don’t have a useful measure. I’m personally stunned/shocked. I was hoping Canada wouldn’t catch the HATE infection. I find the Quebec attack particularly appalling because it was at a religious site, a mosque. It takes a very special category of psychopath to kill people at ANY place of worship. *Sympathy* Canada.
Good thing Canada has significantly stricter gun laws than most of the United States.
Just pointing out the illogic of the gun-grabber crowd.
Thanks for pointing that out.
One data point does not make for a survey, or scientific experiment, or a basis for a sarcastic remark.
So let’s look at the whole context… where the country with stricter gun laws has enormously lower murder and accidental gun death rates. So yeh, it’s a “good thing”.
And for all the gun owners with children — those children have FAR more chance of dying from or killing with the household guns than the parents have of ever repelling or killing a violent criminal.
So let’s look at the whole context… where the country with stricter gun laws has enormously lower murder and accidental gun death rates.”
yeah, like Chicago, Cocoa Boy. You are too monumentally stupid to live.
So? Looks like you are amongst those believers denying the low of evolution… Obviously “evolution” is not your thing at all… Sorry for you, but you seam to deserve D. Biff Trump for president! Good luck!
You illustrate my point, Belligerent Asswipe.
The example of the COUNTRY of Canada, is not negated by bringing up an AMERICAN city.
You are truly one of the premier asshats of the twenty-first century.
I’ve never felt the need to carry a gun in Canada.
It’s just not part of the culture. Sure drug trade workers have guns, it’s a business tool. If you’re in that industry, it’s essential… but regular citizens don’t feel the need to pack to ensure their personal safety.
After all, lack of gun control hasn’t made America a safer place, has it?
Ehhhh, FWIW, as of 2015 69 kids died from firearm injuries. More kids died from drowning in a bathtub. You have a greater chance of dying in a car crash than a firearm accident. As for the murder rate, take Democrat-run Chicago (please) and you’ll reduce the gun homicide rate significantly.
Did the Prime Minister encourage Quebecers to regard Canadian Muslims as enemies, botnivik? I missed that.
Here’s what I know from the AP:
“The 27-year-old suspect in a terrorist attack against Muslims at a Quebec City mosque was charged Monday with six counts of first degree murder and five counts of attempted murder.
“Alexandre Bissonnette was known for taking right-wing, nationalist positions and supporting the French far-right party of Marine Le Pen. The shooting during evening prayers Sunday left six people dead in an attack that Canada’s prime minister called an act of terrorism against Muslims.”
How is that Trudeau’s fault” I suppose you think it was the victims’ fault for being in Canada where somebody could shoot them, just as rape is always the woman’s fault.
Unfortunately for you, it isn’t Canadian policy to assume that all the residents of Muslim-majority countries are terrorists. That must be why so many more violent acts by Muslims have happened in Canada than in the United States. Oh, wait…
Trudeau said this the day before this mayhem, he welcomed all muslim aliens to Canada, a direct insult to our President’s EO.
fück him and fück you.
Wow you really are bigoted. Since the attack was ON a mosque and not perpetrated by a Muslim, you might want to rethink that hatred. Like it or not, most terrorist attacks in this country and Canada are carried out by right wing white men (Timothy Mcvey and the like). 9/11 happened and was caused by 15 people from Saudi Arabia, 2 from Pakistan, 1 from Lydia, and 1 from Egypt. None of those countries are on the new travel ban btw…. also, that one attack took 2,000 lives whereas all the mass shootings and bombings by those people have cost over 12,000 since 1993… you may disagree with a ideology, but violence is not the answer and bigoted hate of people with brown or black skin, like my partner, is not going to solve any problems. Get a grip and stop swallowing all of this divisive shit.
It was perpetrated by muslims, you idiot.
No, it wasn’t, it was a white nationalist…. his name is Alexandre Bissonnette and he is a white male university student. You’re just a bigot who automatically assumes the scary brown people are bad. Idiot
(To use your terminology)
Ah, botvijerk. I just count myself lucky to be in the presence of such a mind. In these remarks (fuck you, idiot, etc.) I think we may be witnessing a renaissance of American literature.
“It was perpetrated by muslims, you idiot.”
You are so blinded into stupidity by hatred, botvinnik. That is simply not true – or anywhere close to the truth.
MDN Readers! Whatever you do, do not feed the troll on this subject. He is convinced that every act of violence in the last century was really a false-flag attack. Senator Cruz killed Kennedy, Dick Cheney blew up the Twin Towers, Sandy Hook Elementary was fake news, David Koresh was a persecuted Christian, and so on essentially forever.
You will never convince him that he is wrong about a right-wing follower of a French white supremacist being a disguised Muslim. DO NOT GO THERE or we will never hear the end of it!
Can you spot the difference?
CAN YOU!
Naw, I can never tell one terroristic leader apart from another.
I know this one! The image on the right contains a person with a mental illness and the one on the left does not. Did o get it right?
Stereotypes exist for a reason. Some people like to work. Others don’t, or don’t know how because they never have.
Good riddance to the affirmative action globalist Soros puppet!
Trump read?!?!? Those papers are as fake as his press conferences. It won’t be long before his daily briefings are fed to him on video tape so he can watch them on TV.
Nice cherry-picking images, Botvinnik. Trump has only banned immigration from countries whose civilians weren’t tied into the 9/11 attacks. Countries that were are still allowed in; the same countries that Trump does business with.
This isn’t about America’s best interests or protecting our country. This is about MONEY. That’s all that matters to Trump. He doesn’t care about any of his voters.
One is working and the other is reading! Instead of paying attention to the liberal media, do research and learn what is going on yourself. The media is going to spread lies and make up stuff and blow it way out of proportion like they have for the past year or so. Trump, as a none career politician is so far keeping all of his promises and doing what he said he would do and I think he will be a great president if the media stops trying to tear him limb from limb. The Democrats and Liberal media won’t be happy till he is impeached or someone else is elected in 4 years and that is sad and a bad thing. He is doing things he said he would, give him a chance! I never liked the guy, but believe what he said on the campaign trail and he has lived up to that and does seem sincere if you openly look at him and what he does instead of being brainwashed by the media. Stop listening to CNN and make up your own minds after researching and listening!
I actually sympathize with your position. Vengeance is not going to solve anything. But I want you to consider that with just a couple of changes, portions of your statement would apply to the previous Administration. For example…
The [right wing and alt-right] media is going to spread lies and make up stuff and blow it way out of proportion like they have for the past [16] year[s] or so. Obama, as a non-career politician [attempted to keep] all of his promises and doing what he said he would do, [but was blocked at nearly every turn by the GOP in Congress]. {Obama would have been a better] president if the [conservative] media [had not incessantly attempted] to tear him limb from limb. The [Republicans and Conservative] media won’t be happy till [Obama] is impeached or someone else is elected in 4 years and that is sad and a bad thing.
Classic GOP supporter – you behave poorly for many years until you regain power, then bully and beg the opposition to behave better while you railroad through your agenda. I sincerely want a moderate government based on reasoned debate, but I cannot tell you how tempting it would be to use all of the GOP nasty tactics against Trump and the Republican Congress just to give you a taste of your own medicine. Bad for the country…probably. But the satisfaction of blocking and frustrating GOP politicians who have perpetuated the gridlock for the last eight years? Priceless.
Wow… he’s really letting the work pile up. He really should get to work clearing those To dos, instead of calling up his Russian boyfriend and googling “Donald Trump”
Oh shut up, you douchebag.
Botvinnik, you are truly a major asshole. As I stated before, you will die alone, hated by all. I am sure your family cannot stand you, because you are an unrelenting blowhard, who really needs to STFU. You have turned this site into your personal right wing screed, and no one finds you interesting other than the box of Fruit Loops, who were bitten by the same rabid skunk. Seriously, you are truly an unredeemable POS.
Coming from a marxist prick like you, I consider that a badge of honor.
Fuck you botvinnik…..you bacteria sounding ignorant prick!
heh, The Special Olympics Debate Team captain is here.
… have you been following the voting on Joy of Tech? You are a distinct minority fart defiling the clean air of our country. You are such a tiny minority it’s amazing you can reach the keyboard! Or is it down there on the rug … with you?
Ha … ha … HA!
I find that the stupidest people tend to think they know something the rest of us don’t. You certainly fit that bill. What does the Prime Minister of Canada have to do with following Comrade Trump’s EO? Surely you don’t think Canada is the 51st state!!! Oh, wait, you probably do, since you blame the muslims victims in a mosque for a white supremacist murdering them. Unfortunately, IQ does not stand for Idiot Quotient and a score of 5 on that test is not good.
you are mentally ill.
Do you even own any Apple products? They seem far to smart for you. How lonely are you? Really? Ever wonder why nobody can stand you? Must be them.
get some rest, sonny, you’ve gone quite mad.
Sounds like I struck a nerve. By the way, I’m winning the popular vote. Guess that’s your life story.
uh, what popular vote?
Botty, you sure are an angry little guy!
I offered you counsel just a day ago regarding your propensity to allow others to get under your skin so easily. If you don’t shape up quickly it’s a safe bet you will lose your position as leader of the mindless and stupid.
thanks, Michaele, but anger management pisses me off. 🙂
MDN, MDN… Yoo-hoo….. I ask again…. Why do you let the belligerent asswipe botvijerk to continue posting his incessant nastiness?
(Note – he is nasty to EVERYONE he disagrees with in the world, or who disagrees with him here. I’m nasty to him to attempt to wake you up and to demonstrate to innocent readers that his shittyness is not acceptabe to most here.)
Ya know…I sometimes have to scrape you off my boots after a walk in my local park. Against all common sense, social responsibility and national pride, you continue to shit on any and all, in mindless idolatry of a guy who will in all probability, shaft you. What an idiot.
Fuck you …
Where do you find ANY reason to be respectful towards Trump?
I would say it has gone far beyond Silicon Valley.
Oh, and the Canadian Prime Minister does not report to the Electoral President.
He doesn’t report to the Canadian people either, he reports to George Soros, just like Obama did.
Trudeau receiving Orders From Headquarters:
You know, the more you and Foghorn (First%$*()_) bring up this Soros guy, the more I tend to like him.
Someone’s got to counter your Trumps, Kochs, etc. And you have so many of them Mr. Citizen’s United.
So, the heliocentric model of the solar system is just another debunked theory like evolution and greenhouse gasses. The truth is that everything revolves around Donald Trump. If Canada decides to admit refugees, it must be all about him, and not about their own national values.
So, I was right. You think it is somehow the fault of the Canadian government or the Muslim community because somebody inspired by the white-identity philosophy held in common by Steve Bannon and Marine Le Pen decided to shoot a roomful of innocent men at worship.
I think you will find that Canada is an independent country and its government can make decisions about immigration policy without running it past the U.S. first. I think they will make those decisions based on their own national self-interest and not on whether it will offend one of its thin-skinned neighbors.
It’s great seeing you back and posting intelligent posts here. You’ve been missed.
Whatever. Muslims were involved. As always.
European CHRISTIAN migrants killed much more native people of America, when they started to colonize the lands. Their crimes where, at least, hundred times worse than any “muslim terrorism” on US ground!
And how many refugees or asylum seekers from these seven countries committed a terrorist act in the US in the past 40 years? ZERO. Let me repeat that, ZERO.
There is NO REASON AT ALL to have instituted this ban in the US, none. Your odds of dying in an an attack by a foreign-born terrorist as vanishingly small. In contrast, gun violence kills about 13,000 per year (plus another 20,000) suicides)…which should be the greater problem to address?
My guess would be that the likelihood of a CEO making a public statement was directly proportional to the degree to which their corporate operations will be hindered by the ban. In most Silicon Valley companies, the impact is quite severe because their multinational operations and extensive supply chains require a lot of international travel. Now they have key employees who are essentially stranded on one side or the other of the U.S. border. It would be a dereliction of duty for the CEO not to tell those folks that the company will support them.
These companies’ highly distributed operations also make it hard to issue a communication from the CEO to the employees without sending a mass email that will leak to the press. Companies that concentrate their employees in large plants can try to reassure their affected employees in less public ways.
Tim Cook didn’t send out a press release. He emailed his employees.
Dude: Ever heard of sleeper cells? It hasn’t happened quite yet. But surely as the sun rises, it will thanks to 8 years of open borders, thanks to Obummer and the crapocrats.
Sleeping celles are of all believes! And with fancy presidents like Bush or Trump these will be likely waking up… and borders will definitely be of NO use!
Hate appeals hate: period!
what a refreshing change is present then actual data versus the headlines and slogans, so people can draw their own conclusion, whatever they made be. Thank you MDN.
Taken out of full context, this headline is of course ridiculous:
President Trump’s travel ban stirs little outcry beyond Silicon Valley
I hope the point is NOT that We The People don’t matter and that only the Corporatocracy matters.
Meanwhile, here are search terms that put the LIE to this absurd headline from the We The People POV [I love that acronym]. You’ll get 4.4 million hits:
Don’t listen to the biased liberal liars in the mainstream media. Do not be swayed by George Soros-funded “protesters.” Both are a sham and not indicative of ideas and support of the majority of U.S. voters.
Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Just 33% are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.
I will thoughtfully state that there is no argument about the faulty status of airport screening, certainly in the USA. If that’s effectively tightened up, this order would have at least one good effect.
Meanwhile, the order puts the dot over the ‘i’ in paranoid. My country is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land thanks to the crap election choices of 2016. BOTH choices. To hell with both parties.
I agree with hell to both parties, but would you mind if I want the Republicans to blaze the way?
I used to be Republican. If they can go back to actual, real Conservative values like actual truth (vs ‘truthiness’, ‘alternative facts’ ad nauseam), honesty and caring for our fellow man, I’m on board!
(And to the haters: The above statement says nothing about Democrats, who are another subject).
O often tell my EU friends that we indeed have a two party system. The Right Wing, and the Very Right Wing.
(O_o) The simple fact that we attempt to smash human thought onto a 1 dimensional scale shouts of truth decay.
BTW, values that have to do with decency and respect are not the exclusive province of conservative values. The are just values.
Indeed. But I like to point out that once upon a time, those values were core to the actual ‘conservatives’, as opposed to the neo- and corporate- so-called ‘conservatives’ we’re stuck with today.
See I ‘get’ you. My conservatism ends on the inside of my door. That’s where my immediate sphere of influence ends. Outside of that, I’m a flaming liberal.
Please consider thinking outside the line. Even a box is better than the brain dead 1-dimensional political spectrum.
I know you do. I’m simply exercising my rhetoric. ;-P
“Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.”
A better job? According to the CATO Institute, not one person from the seven countries included in the ban has killed anyone in a terror attack on US soil in the last 40 years. This includes refugees, as well.
To describe the Rasmussen poll as measuring public sentiment towards this ban is a lie. The poll was conducted on Jan 25-26, before the EO was signed. That was before anyone knew about the incompetence and illegality of the actual order.
Do you ask who’s ringing your doorbell before letting a visitor in? Rotten bigot!
That, essentially, is the reaction from the politically charged left to President Trump’s executive order about admitting people from certain countries into the United States. The unhinged outrage from Trump-haters – and there are a lot of them – puts the interests of non-Americans over the security of our citizens. And the administration’s botched roll-out of the new restrictions gave opponents just the excuse they needed to bellow.
Reduce the argument to a personal level. A homeowner is permitted to refuse entry to anyone he or she doesn’t want in, right? Security systems are intended to keep unwanted visitors out and let the homeowner know who is outside. Lots of apartment dwellers have an intercom that rings when someone outside wants to visit. Are those precautions divisive, discriminatory or unconstitutional?
One of the most horrifying placards I saw during the protests on Trump’s inauguration day read: “No borders. No nations.” Really? Let anyone go anywhere without asking who they are, why they want to come here and what their past actions tell us about them? The notion that America must be open to anyone who decides to visit flies in the face of 21st century reality.
How do other countries vet visitors? China requires potential guests to fill out a four-page application that asks, among other things, the reason for your visit, the names of your close relatives and what they do, the person who will pay for your trip, your passport number, how long you plan to stay and if you have ever been denied a visa for China in the past? How would the protesters outside American airports react to that kind of quizzing? China doesn’t bother with pretending a democracy, so protests are few and far between.
Iran, another country that likes to know who’s coming across its borders, asks most of the same questions as China, as well as “Have you ever been infected by any contagious diseases?” and who you plan to meet with in Iran.
Saudi Arabia gets right to the point, telling female travelers that they cannot enter the country without a male relative accompanying them. Yet Saudi airports have no one outside screeching about their rights.
And a handful of Muslim-majority countries won’t admit anyone who has an Israeli visa in his or her passport.
The United States allows a great deal of leeway for protest and disagreement. Those who disagree with the president’s executive order have taken full advantage of those rights, and rightly so. But their argument that the United States, alone among all countries, cannot restrict who comes in from beyond its shores is, quite simply, specious.
The protests against anything this president does will continue, and that’s fine as long as they’re peaceful. But let’s at least admit that they are not about the issues, but the issuer-in-chief
@GlassHollow. Have you never been on an international flight? The USA asks all those questions on the landing card for American Citizens. The landing card for foreign nationals is much more extensive. Also, we have not gotten to Visa paperwork, which for some countries of origin looks more like an encyclopedia that a form to fill out.
Those I meet are soooo offended by the nightmare happening. It could so easily turn out into such an outrageous disaster!
IBM released earlier today a statement against President Trump’s executive order. IBM is based in NY. The protests are spreading beyond Silicon Valley.
Well, take it up with Thomas Jefferson, he did the same thing to the Barbary Pirates…kicked their asses and saved American commerce.
“…to the shores of Tripoli..”
…and we’ll kick ass in the Halls of Montezuma and save American jobs, if they don’t pay for the wall…
amen, sister. 🙂
Hey dummy. If you think our immigration policies are tough, take a look at Mexicos. We have a pussy driven policy compared to theirs. But not anymore, thanks to Trump and reason. Finally, long overdue.
There’s a surprise, a bunch of companies led mainly by white middle aged men isn’t complaining.
Meanwhile, the technology that underscores their success is driven ever forward by a global community of men and women working together in peace from all backgrounds who seem to be guilty of the crime of being born in the same country as some “bad dudes” to paraphrase Trump.
Of course, the ban doesn’t apply to those born in countries where Trump has business interests or take into account that more Americans have died from locally born “terrorists” than from foreign sourced ones.
Not unexpected. But an exasperatingly stupid move nonetheless. The ban on Iraqi visas will have an almost immediate negative impact on current military operations against ISIS. Our new SecDef will be having a word with the commander in chief I guarantee you all.
The withdrawal from the Trans Pacific Partnership was also boneheaded as it gave China a huge opening to step in and become the main architect of trade deals in the pacific region.
I’m beginning to lose confidence in our new leadership.
No. Not at all. If you had read some of my other posts you would know that I supported Trump on resumption of the oil pipelines, reigning in net neutrality rules that were written for the telephone age, and refocusing the EPA away from dictating climate change policies.
I supported Trump when he said he wanted to step up the fight against ISIS and challenge China. But these two latest moves serve to hinder those two efforts. My eyes are open. Are yours?
He said he would do both while on the campaign trail and lo and behold did them.
The EO’s are window dressing to make the base believe something substanative is being done. The big challenge will occur in the coming months as Republicans attempt to enact laws satisfactory to Trump. That’s when the Republicans will begin to plot Trump’s downfall. Mike Pence for dessert anyone???
What “he sad” won’t change the general rules… What “he does” might just be few populistic flashes and end up into ruins.
Neither of you two make any long term sense.
Bookmark this, please.
Beleaguered fake president Trump is off to a great end.
Yes, and I don’t see any major issues with the Iraqi visas. They just need to get straight who is allowed and who is detained and who banned. There are always problems with stuff like this but the media has played the frenzy card for two days so no one sees it clearly at all.
The TPP I will defer to his business and trade knowledge instead of pretending to know more than him and his advisers.
Let’s face reality: Trump screwed up big time with this EO. It was poorly drafted, without any vetting by the usual agencies or lawyers. It’s incomprehensible that Trump’s pick for Homeland Security literally found out about it through a news report on the air.
The order was drafted by the white nationalists surrounding Trump in the oval office. It is discriminatory by religion, relegating Muslims to second class status behind Christians.
It banned many people with green cards…people who had already been extremely vetted, many living in America for years. It led to children and the elderly in some cases being detained and handcuffed.
This was a national disgrace, as is Trump. This did nothing to make us safer, and is the best recruiting tool the terrorists could have imagined.
As to which companies have spoken out…who cares? The people have spoken out loud and clear in an unprecedented way. It seems that a weekly mass protest is going to become the norm in the Trump term. He’s already lost the trust of the majority of the American people.
Trump is an idiot, out of his league. Worse, he’s ignorant, will never admit he is wrong, is an immature bully.
hahahah…not nearly the same. Nice try at some more propaganda.
For starters, one insult in this Trump fiasco was that it applied to those who already had been vetted and gotten a green card from the US. These people were doctors, scientists, elderly, children, etc…many living in the US for years.
The Trump EO also banned people who had been helping us in countries like Iraq, serving as interpreters and the like. So Trump is punishing those who fight along side us. Nice job Trump.
after being briefly detained, how many people were actually “banned,” idiot?
First of all, what you call “brief” amounted to many many hours for some. In one case a child was handcuffed, in another case a lady was refused a wheelchair. I’d like to see you go through this type of ordeal, not knowing what your status is.
And the only reason they were released was because of aggressive legal action and protests against Trump.
And there are still people locked out, hurting through all of this. There was one story about an American overseas, with a wife of Iranian origin, and their child, and the wife cannot come back with him. A human rights activist cannot come in to accept a humanitarian award.
The state of Israel is worried that this order could keep out as many as 145,000 people. This is real, it has real consequences.
Here’s the kicker: it does nothing to keep us safer, and makes us less safer. Trump: making America weak again.
how many, punk?
Well, I just told you how Israel was worried this would impact 145,000 Jewish people. Of course, Trump and his white nationalists friends don’t care about Jews, as in their Holocaust Memorial Day statement they removed the one tiny detail that the Holocaust was aimed at the Jewish people.
The ripples of this policy will impact an untold amount of people, not the least will be 300 million Americans who are now less safe thanks to Trump and his ego wanting to prove something to the world.
how many, punk?
You tell me. How is this Trump EO going to make us safer? National security experts, including many generals, say this will make us less safe.
This is a poorly though out, poorly executed strategy, unless your goal is just to be racist and discriminatory.
Pay no attention to the thousands of people demonstrating at airports around the country or the hundreds of articles that have appeared in the press, still less to the global outcry.
You may only pay attention to and believe white nationalist websites that parrot Trump’s lies.
Does anyone else find the lack of news about the Quebec attack a little odd, or is it just me?
Every newsfeed I’ve heard or watched today has discussed it, so huh?
To the degree that the Nice or Istanbul attacks were covered?
Trudeau not only has egg on his face, he has blood on his hands.
The shooter openly admitted he was a Trump minion. I hardly believe the blood is on Trudeau’s hands, but it falls directly on the insightful Trump! Wear it in good health.
You may well have a point there, but I don’t have a useful measure. I’m personally stunned/shocked. I was hoping Canada wouldn’t catch the HATE infection. I find the Quebec attack particularly appalling because it was at a religious site, a mosque. It takes a very special category of psychopath to kill people at ANY place of worship. *Sympathy* Canada.
Good thing Canada has significantly stricter gun laws than most of the United States.
Just pointing out the illogic of the gun-grabber crowd.
Thanks for pointing that out.
One data point does not make for a survey, or scientific experiment, or a basis for a sarcastic remark.
So let’s look at the whole context… where the country with stricter gun laws has enormously lower murder and accidental gun death rates. So yeh, it’s a “good thing”.
And for all the gun owners with children — those children have FAR more chance of dying from or killing with the household guns than the parents have of ever repelling or killing a violent criminal.
So let’s look at the whole context… where the country with stricter gun laws has enormously lower murder and accidental gun death rates.”
yeah, like Chicago, Cocoa Boy. You are too monumentally stupid to live.
So? Looks like you are amongst those believers denying the low of evolution… Obviously “evolution” is not your thing at all… Sorry for you, but you seam to deserve D. Biff Trump for president! Good luck!
You illustrate my point, Belligerent Asswipe.
The example of the COUNTRY of Canada, is not negated by bringing up an AMERICAN city.
You are truly one of the premier asshats of the twenty-first century.
I’ve never felt the need to carry a gun in Canada.
It’s just not part of the culture. Sure drug trade workers have guns, it’s a business tool. If you’re in that industry, it’s essential… but regular citizens don’t feel the need to pack to ensure their personal safety.
After all, lack of gun control hasn’t made America a safer place, has it?
Ehhhh, FWIW, as of 2015 69 kids died from firearm injuries. More kids died from drowning in a bathtub. You have a greater chance of dying in a car crash than a firearm accident. As for the murder rate, take Democrat-run Chicago (please) and you’ll reduce the gun homicide rate significantly.
Did the Prime Minister encourage Quebecers to regard Canadian Muslims as enemies, botnivik? I missed that.
Here’s what I know from the AP:
“The 27-year-old suspect in a terrorist attack against Muslims at a Quebec City mosque was charged Monday with six counts of first degree murder and five counts of attempted murder.
“Alexandre Bissonnette was known for taking right-wing, nationalist positions and supporting the French far-right party of Marine Le Pen. The shooting during evening prayers Sunday left six people dead in an attack that Canada’s prime minister called an act of terrorism against Muslims.”
How is that Trudeau’s fault” I suppose you think it was the victims’ fault for being in Canada where somebody could shoot them, just as rape is always the woman’s fault.
Unfortunately for you, it isn’t Canadian policy to assume that all the residents of Muslim-majority countries are terrorists. That must be why so many more violent acts by Muslims have happened in Canada than in the United States. Oh, wait…
Trudeau said this the day before this mayhem, he welcomed all muslim aliens to Canada, a direct insult to our President’s EO.
fück him and fück you.
Wow you really are bigoted. Since the attack was ON a mosque and not perpetrated by a Muslim, you might want to rethink that hatred. Like it or not, most terrorist attacks in this country and Canada are carried out by right wing white men (Timothy Mcvey and the like). 9/11 happened and was caused by 15 people from Saudi Arabia, 2 from Pakistan, 1 from Lydia, and 1 from Egypt. None of those countries are on the new travel ban btw…. also, that one attack took 2,000 lives whereas all the mass shootings and bombings by those people have cost over 12,000 since 1993… you may disagree with a ideology, but violence is not the answer and bigoted hate of people with brown or black skin, like my partner, is not going to solve any problems. Get a grip and stop swallowing all of this divisive shit.
It was perpetrated by muslims, you idiot.
No, it wasn’t, it was a white nationalist…. his name is Alexandre Bissonnette and he is a white male university student. You’re just a bigot who automatically assumes the scary brown people are bad. Idiot
(To use your terminology)
Ah, botvijerk. I just count myself lucky to be in the presence of such a mind. In these remarks (fuck you, idiot, etc.) I think we may be witnessing a renaissance of American literature.
“It was perpetrated by muslims, you idiot.”
You are so blinded into stupidity by hatred, botvinnik. That is simply not true – or anywhere close to the truth.
MDN Readers! Whatever you do, do not feed the troll on this subject. He is convinced that every act of violence in the last century was really a false-flag attack. Senator Cruz killed Kennedy, Dick Cheney blew up the Twin Towers, Sandy Hook Elementary was fake news, David Koresh was a persecuted Christian, and so on essentially forever.
You will never convince him that he is wrong about a right-wing follower of a French white supremacist being a disguised Muslim. DO NOT GO THERE or we will never hear the end of it!
Can you spot the difference?
CAN YOU!
Naw, I can never tell one terroristic leader apart from another.
I know this one! The image on the right contains a person with a mental illness and the one on the left does not. Did o get it right?
Stereotypes exist for a reason. Some people like to work. Others don’t, or don’t know how because they never have.
Good riddance to the affirmative action globalist Soros puppet!
Trump read?!?!? Those papers are as fake as his press conferences. It won’t be long before his daily briefings are fed to him on video tape so he can watch them on TV.
Nice cherry-picking images, Botvinnik. Trump has only banned immigration from countries whose civilians weren’t tied into the 9/11 attacks. Countries that were are still allowed in; the same countries that Trump does business with.
This isn’t about America’s best interests or protecting our country. This is about MONEY. That’s all that matters to Trump. He doesn’t care about any of his voters.
One is working and the other is reading! Instead of paying attention to the liberal media, do research and learn what is going on yourself. The media is going to spread lies and make up stuff and blow it way out of proportion like they have for the past year or so. Trump, as a none career politician is so far keeping all of his promises and doing what he said he would do and I think he will be a great president if the media stops trying to tear him limb from limb. The Democrats and Liberal media won’t be happy till he is impeached or someone else is elected in 4 years and that is sad and a bad thing. He is doing things he said he would, give him a chance! I never liked the guy, but believe what he said on the campaign trail and he has lived up to that and does seem sincere if you openly look at him and what he does instead of being brainwashed by the media. Stop listening to CNN and make up your own minds after researching and listening!
I actually sympathize with your position. Vengeance is not going to solve anything. But I want you to consider that with just a couple of changes, portions of your statement would apply to the previous Administration. For example…
Classic GOP supporter – you behave poorly for many years until you regain power, then bully and beg the opposition to behave better while you railroad through your agenda. I sincerely want a moderate government based on reasoned debate, but I cannot tell you how tempting it would be to use all of the GOP nasty tactics against Trump and the Republican Congress just to give you a taste of your own medicine. Bad for the country…probably. But the satisfaction of blocking and frustrating GOP politicians who have perpetuated the gridlock for the last eight years? Priceless.
Wow… he’s really letting the work pile up. He really should get to work clearing those To dos, instead of calling up his Russian boyfriend and googling “Donald Trump”
Oh shut up, you douchebag.
Botvinnik, you are truly a major asshole. As I stated before, you will die alone, hated by all. I am sure your family cannot stand you, because you are an unrelenting blowhard, who really needs to STFU. You have turned this site into your personal right wing screed, and no one finds you interesting other than the box of Fruit Loops, who were bitten by the same rabid skunk. Seriously, you are truly an unredeemable POS.
Coming from a marxist prick like you, I consider that a badge of honor.
Fuck you botvinnik…..you bacteria sounding ignorant prick!
heh, The Special Olympics Debate Team captain is here.
… have you been following the voting on Joy of Tech? You are a distinct minority fart defiling the clean air of our country. You are such a tiny minority it’s amazing you can reach the keyboard! Or is it down there on the rug … with you?
Ha … ha … HA!
I find that the stupidest people tend to think they know something the rest of us don’t. You certainly fit that bill. What does the Prime Minister of Canada have to do with following Comrade Trump’s EO? Surely you don’t think Canada is the 51st state!!! Oh, wait, you probably do, since you blame the muslims victims in a mosque for a white supremacist murdering them. Unfortunately, IQ does not stand for Idiot Quotient and a score of 5 on that test is not good.
you are mentally ill.
Do you even own any Apple products? They seem far to smart for you. How lonely are you? Really? Ever wonder why nobody can stand you? Must be them.
get some rest, sonny, you’ve gone quite mad.
Sounds like I struck a nerve. By the way, I’m winning the popular vote. Guess that’s your life story.
uh, what popular vote?
Botty, you sure are an angry little guy!
I offered you counsel just a day ago regarding your propensity to allow others to get under your skin so easily. If you don’t shape up quickly it’s a safe bet you will lose your position as leader of the mindless and stupid.
thanks, Michaele, but anger management pisses me off. 🙂
MDN, MDN… Yoo-hoo….. I ask again…. Why do you let the belligerent asswipe botvijerk to continue posting his incessant nastiness?
(Note – he is nasty to EVERYONE he disagrees with in the world, or who disagrees with him here. I’m nasty to him to attempt to wake you up and to demonstrate to innocent readers that his shittyness is not acceptabe to most here.)
Ya know…I sometimes have to scrape you off my boots after a walk in my local park. Against all common sense, social responsibility and national pride, you continue to shit on any and all, in mindless idolatry of a guy who will in all probability, shaft you. What an idiot.
Fuck you …
Where do you find ANY reason to be respectful towards Trump?
I would say it has gone far beyond Silicon Valley.
Oh, and the Canadian Prime Minister does not report to the Electoral President.
https://www.yahoo.com/sy/ny/api/res/1.2/VdVdM_nTuXmdqlIa1Hma5w–/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NzIwO2g9OTYw/http://media.zenfs.com/en-GB/homerun/international_business_times_onc_uk_442/c8b3fea2c861ede2975a7243d585ae0b
He doesn’t report to the Canadian people either, he reports to George Soros, just like Obama did.
Trudeau receiving Orders From Headquarters:
You know, the more you and Foghorn (First%$*()_) bring up this Soros guy, the more I tend to like him.
Someone’s got to counter your Trumps, Kochs, etc. And you have so many of them Mr. Citizen’s United.
So, the heliocentric model of the solar system is just another debunked theory like evolution and greenhouse gasses. The truth is that everything revolves around Donald Trump. If Canada decides to admit refugees, it must be all about him, and not about their own national values.
So, I was right. You think it is somehow the fault of the Canadian government or the Muslim community because somebody inspired by the white-identity philosophy held in common by Steve Bannon and Marine Le Pen decided to shoot a roomful of innocent men at worship.
I think you will find that Canada is an independent country and its government can make decisions about immigration policy without running it past the U.S. first. I think they will make those decisions based on their own national self-interest and not on whether it will offend one of its thin-skinned neighbors.
It’s great seeing you back and posting intelligent posts here. You’ve been missed.
Whatever. Muslims were involved. As always.
European CHRISTIAN migrants killed much more native people of America, when they started to colonize the lands. Their crimes where, at least, hundred times worse than any “muslim terrorism” on US ground!
And how many refugees or asylum seekers from these seven countries committed a terrorist act in the US in the past 40 years? ZERO. Let me repeat that, ZERO.
There is NO REASON AT ALL to have instituted this ban in the US, none. Your odds of dying in an an attack by a foreign-born terrorist as vanishingly small. In contrast, gun violence kills about 13,000 per year (plus another 20,000) suicides)…which should be the greater problem to address?
My guess would be that the likelihood of a CEO making a public statement was directly proportional to the degree to which their corporate operations will be hindered by the ban. In most Silicon Valley companies, the impact is quite severe because their multinational operations and extensive supply chains require a lot of international travel. Now they have key employees who are essentially stranded on one side or the other of the U.S. border. It would be a dereliction of duty for the CEO not to tell those folks that the company will support them.
These companies’ highly distributed operations also make it hard to issue a communication from the CEO to the employees without sending a mass email that will leak to the press. Companies that concentrate their employees in large plants can try to reassure their affected employees in less public ways.
Tim Cook didn’t send out a press release. He emailed his employees.
Dude: Ever heard of sleeper cells? It hasn’t happened quite yet. But surely as the sun rises, it will thanks to 8 years of open borders, thanks to Obummer and the crapocrats.
Sleeping celles are of all believes! And with fancy presidents like Bush or Trump these will be likely waking up… and borders will definitely be of NO use!
Hate appeals hate: period!
what a refreshing change is present then actual data versus the headlines and slogans, so people can draw their own conclusion, whatever they made be. Thank you MDN.
Taken out of full context, this headline is of course ridiculous:
President Trump’s travel ban stirs little outcry beyond Silicon Valley
I hope the point is NOT that We The People don’t matter and that only the Corporatocracy matters.
Meanwhile, here are search terms that put the LIE to this absurd headline from the We The People POV [I love that acronym]. You’ll get 4.4 million hits:
trump ban airport protests
Don’t listen to the biased liberal liars in the mainstream media. Do not be swayed by George Soros-funded “protesters.” Both are a sham and not indicative of ideas and support of the majority of U.S. voters.
Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.
A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey finds that 57% of Likely U.S. Voters favor a temporary ban on refugees from Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen until the federal government approves its ability to screen out potential terrorists from coming here. Just 33% are opposed, while 10% are undecided.
Similarly, 56% favor a temporary block on visas prohibiting residents of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Yemen from entering the United States until the government approves its ability to screen for likely terrorists. Thirty-two percent (32%) oppose this temporary ban, and 11% are undecided.
Source: Rasmussen Reports, Jan. 30, 2017
I will thoughtfully state that there is no argument about the faulty status of airport screening, certainly in the USA. If that’s effectively tightened up, this order would have at least one good effect.
Meanwhile, the order puts the dot over the ‘i’ in paranoid. My country is living in Cloud Cuckoo Land thanks to the crap election choices of 2016. BOTH choices. To hell with both parties.
I agree with hell to both parties, but would you mind if I want the Republicans to blaze the way?
I used to be Republican. If they can go back to actual, real Conservative values like actual truth (vs ‘truthiness’, ‘alternative facts’ ad nauseam), honesty and caring for our fellow man, I’m on board!
(And to the haters: The above statement says nothing about Democrats, who are another subject).
O often tell my EU friends that we indeed have a two party system. The Right Wing, and the Very Right Wing.
(O_o) The simple fact that we attempt to smash human thought onto a 1 dimensional scale shouts of truth decay.
BTW, values that have to do with decency and respect are not the exclusive province of conservative values. The are just values.
Indeed. But I like to point out that once upon a time, those values were core to the actual ‘conservatives’, as opposed to the neo- and corporate- so-called ‘conservatives’ we’re stuck with today.
See I ‘get’ you. My conservatism ends on the inside of my door. That’s where my immediate sphere of influence ends. Outside of that, I’m a flaming liberal.
Please consider thinking outside the line. Even a box is better than the brain dead 1-dimensional political spectrum.
I know you do. I’m simply exercising my rhetoric. ;-P
“Most voters approve of President Trump’s temporary halt to refugees and visitors from several Middle Eastern and African countries until the government can do a better job of keeping out individuals who are terrorist threats.”
A better job? According to the CATO Institute, not one person from the seven countries included in the ban has killed anyone in a terror attack on US soil in the last 40 years. This includes refugees, as well.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/30/politics/immigration-stats-by-the-numbers-trnd/index.html
Impossible to do a better job ,literally–can’t have fewer than zero killed. You scared of your own shadow? Better find a different boogeyman.
To describe the Rasmussen poll as measuring public sentiment towards this ban is a lie. The poll was conducted on Jan 25-26, before the EO was signed. That was before anyone knew about the incompetence and illegality of the actual order.
Put America first.
Read you contdarictive haters.
Do you ask who’s ringing your doorbell before letting a visitor in? Rotten bigot!
That, essentially, is the reaction from the politically charged left to President Trump’s executive order about admitting people from certain countries into the United States. The unhinged outrage from Trump-haters – and there are a lot of them – puts the interests of non-Americans over the security of our citizens. And the administration’s botched roll-out of the new restrictions gave opponents just the excuse they needed to bellow.
Reduce the argument to a personal level. A homeowner is permitted to refuse entry to anyone he or she doesn’t want in, right? Security systems are intended to keep unwanted visitors out and let the homeowner know who is outside. Lots of apartment dwellers have an intercom that rings when someone outside wants to visit. Are those precautions divisive, discriminatory or unconstitutional?
One of the most horrifying placards I saw during the protests on Trump’s inauguration day read: “No borders. No nations.” Really? Let anyone go anywhere without asking who they are, why they want to come here and what their past actions tell us about them? The notion that America must be open to anyone who decides to visit flies in the face of 21st century reality.
How do other countries vet visitors? China requires potential guests to fill out a four-page application that asks, among other things, the reason for your visit, the names of your close relatives and what they do, the person who will pay for your trip, your passport number, how long you plan to stay and if you have ever been denied a visa for China in the past? How would the protesters outside American airports react to that kind of quizzing? China doesn’t bother with pretending a democracy, so protests are few and far between.
Iran, another country that likes to know who’s coming across its borders, asks most of the same questions as China, as well as “Have you ever been infected by any contagious diseases?” and who you plan to meet with in Iran.
Saudi Arabia gets right to the point, telling female travelers that they cannot enter the country without a male relative accompanying them. Yet Saudi airports have no one outside screeching about their rights.
And a handful of Muslim-majority countries won’t admit anyone who has an Israeli visa in his or her passport.
The United States allows a great deal of leeway for protest and disagreement. Those who disagree with the president’s executive order have taken full advantage of those rights, and rightly so. But their argument that the United States, alone among all countries, cannot restrict who comes in from beyond its shores is, quite simply, specious.
The protests against anything this president does will continue, and that’s fine as long as they’re peaceful. But let’s at least admit that they are not about the issues, but the issuer-in-chief
check it out, video of Soros-financed thugs in Seattle….
http://dailycaller.com/2017/01/30/blm-anti-trump-protest-in-seattle-we-need-to-start-killing-people/
@GlassHollow. Have you never been on an international flight? The USA asks all those questions on the landing card for American Citizens. The landing card for foreign nationals is much more extensive. Also, we have not gotten to Visa paperwork, which for some countries of origin looks more like an encyclopedia that a form to fill out.
Bingo!
USA is NOT the world…
And not all Americans are like what you see from some here.
Those I meet are soooo offended by the nightmare happening. It could so easily turn out into such an outrageous disaster!
IBM released earlier today a statement against President Trump’s executive order. IBM is based in NY. The protests are spreading beyond Silicon Valley.
“silicon valley” is a euphemism for the high tech/computer industry in America, IBM falls in that category.
NO SALE.
PS: Microsoft isn’t in the geographical “Silicon Valley” of North California either.
One wouldn’t expect you to accept any data that your handlers didn’t narrate to you, botty.
At LAX, the airport called in riot police Jan 29 in case the peaceful protest turned violent. Thankfully an out-of-control escalation did not occur.
My friends worldwide are aghast at the crude and simplistic immigration policies that are being implemented by this corrupt administration.
States and corporations are already lining up their lawsuits, and Wall Street is seeing huge losses. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKBN15E1B2
Obviously the Trump stupidity is being protested well beyond the tech industry.
Well, take it up with Thomas Jefferson, he did the same thing to the Barbary Pirates…kicked their asses and saved American commerce.
“…to the shores of Tripoli..”
…and we’ll kick ass in the Halls of Montezuma and save American jobs, if they don’t pay for the wall…
amen, sister. 🙂
Hey dummy. If you think our immigration policies are tough, take a look at Mexicos. We have a pussy driven policy compared to theirs. But not anymore, thanks to Trump and reason. Finally, long overdue.
There’s a surprise, a bunch of companies led mainly by white middle aged men isn’t complaining.
Meanwhile, the technology that underscores their success is driven ever forward by a global community of men and women working together in peace from all backgrounds who seem to be guilty of the crime of being born in the same country as some “bad dudes” to paraphrase Trump.
Of course, the ban doesn’t apply to those born in countries where Trump has business interests or take into account that more Americans have died from locally born “terrorists” than from foreign sourced ones.
That last part can be explained away, vociferously if need be.
Playing the white card again. Shut up racist.
Much ado about nothing.
Not unexpected. But an exasperatingly stupid move nonetheless. The ban on Iraqi visas will have an almost immediate negative impact on current military operations against ISIS. Our new SecDef will be having a word with the commander in chief I guarantee you all.
The withdrawal from the Trans Pacific Partnership was also boneheaded as it gave China a huge opening to step in and become the main architect of trade deals in the pacific region.
I’m beginning to lose confidence in our new leadership.
Doesn’t sound like you had any to begin with.
No. Not at all. If you had read some of my other posts you would know that I supported Trump on resumption of the oil pipelines, reigning in net neutrality rules that were written for the telephone age, and refocusing the EPA away from dictating climate change policies.
I supported Trump when he said he wanted to step up the fight against ISIS and challenge China. But these two latest moves serve to hinder those two efforts. My eyes are open. Are yours?
He said he would do both while on the campaign trail and lo and behold did them.
The EO’s are window dressing to make the base believe something substanative is being done. The big challenge will occur in the coming months as Republicans attempt to enact laws satisfactory to Trump. That’s when the Republicans will begin to plot Trump’s downfall. Mike Pence for dessert anyone???
What “he sad” won’t change the general rules… What “he does” might just be few populistic flashes and end up into ruins.
Neither of you two make any long term sense.
Bookmark this, please.
Beleaguered fake president Trump is off to a great end.
It’s a hard rain a-gonna fall! Hopefully its end comes soon enough!
Yes, and I don’t see any major issues with the Iraqi visas. They just need to get straight who is allowed and who is detained and who banned. There are always problems with stuff like this but the media has played the frenzy card for two days so no one sees it clearly at all.
The TPP I will defer to his business and trade knowledge instead of pretending to know more than him and his advisers.
Let’s face reality: Trump screwed up big time with this EO. It was poorly drafted, without any vetting by the usual agencies or lawyers. It’s incomprehensible that Trump’s pick for Homeland Security literally found out about it through a news report on the air.
The order was drafted by the white nationalists surrounding Trump in the oval office. It is discriminatory by religion, relegating Muslims to second class status behind Christians.
It banned many people with green cards…people who had already been extremely vetted, many living in America for years. It led to children and the elderly in some cases being detained and handcuffed.
This was a national disgrace, as is Trump. This did nothing to make us safer, and is the best recruiting tool the terrorists could have imagined.
As to which companies have spoken out…who cares? The people have spoken out loud and clear in an unprecedented way. It seems that a weekly mass protest is going to become the norm in the Trump term. He’s already lost the trust of the majority of the American people.
Trump is an idiot, out of his league. Worse, he’s ignorant, will never admit he is wrong, is an immature bully.
“THESE 73 SITTING DEMOCRATS VOTED TO BAN VISAS FROM SOME MUSLIM COUNTRIES. THAT LAW STILL EXISTS.”
https://www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2017/01/these-73-sitting-democrats-voted-to-ban-visas-from-some-muslim-countries-that-law-still-exists?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=013017SeventyThreeDems&utm_campaign=crfb
hahahah…not nearly the same. Nice try at some more propaganda.
For starters, one insult in this Trump fiasco was that it applied to those who already had been vetted and gotten a green card from the US. These people were doctors, scientists, elderly, children, etc…many living in the US for years.
The Trump EO also banned people who had been helping us in countries like Iraq, serving as interpreters and the like. So Trump is punishing those who fight along side us. Nice job Trump.
Trump is a chump. Face it.
after being briefly detained, how many people were actually “banned,” idiot?
First of all, what you call “brief” amounted to many many hours for some. In one case a child was handcuffed, in another case a lady was refused a wheelchair. I’d like to see you go through this type of ordeal, not knowing what your status is.
And the only reason they were released was because of aggressive legal action and protests against Trump.
And there are still people locked out, hurting through all of this. There was one story about an American overseas, with a wife of Iranian origin, and their child, and the wife cannot come back with him. A human rights activist cannot come in to accept a humanitarian award.
The state of Israel is worried that this order could keep out as many as 145,000 people. This is real, it has real consequences.
Here’s the kicker: it does nothing to keep us safer, and makes us less safer. Trump: making America weak again.
how many, punk?
Well, I just told you how Israel was worried this would impact 145,000 Jewish people. Of course, Trump and his white nationalists friends don’t care about Jews, as in their Holocaust Memorial Day statement they removed the one tiny detail that the Holocaust was aimed at the Jewish people.
The ripples of this policy will impact an untold amount of people, not the least will be 300 million Americans who are now less safe thanks to Trump and his ego wanting to prove something to the world.
how many, punk?
You tell me. How is this Trump EO going to make us safer? National security experts, including many generals, say this will make us less safe.
This is a poorly though out, poorly executed strategy, unless your goal is just to be racist and discriminatory.
So tell me how this helps anything?
Soros just texted, your nickel is in the mail.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/business-trump-immigrant-ban_us_588fd53ae4b0522c7d3ca329
Trump – and I think maybe a few MacDailyNews readers would do well to remember who was the son of a Syrian immigrant.
Yes! And he did it fine!
Yes! And he didn’t put USA in such a mess as D. Biff Trump does in it’s very first days!
Maybe the travel ban will force companies to look inside the U.S. for talent that otherwise may not have been seen.
Pay no attention to the thousands of people demonstrating at airports around the country or the hundreds of articles that have appeared in the press, still less to the global outcry.
You may only pay attention to and believe white nationalist websites that parrot Trump’s lies.
GO TRUMP! MAKING AMERICA GREAT AGAIN! BIATCHSLAP OBAMA SHINE SCHUMER AND THE REST OF THE SNOWFLAKES!
Oh! Please go back to your KKK club and have a beer!