“It’s fairly common for computer users to delay updating to major operating system releases, and though Mac owners tend to be a bit better at upgrading than Windows users, many are still running old versions of OS X,” OS X Daily writes.
“For some users there are good reasons for this, maybe lingering on outdated OS X versions like Snow Leopard because of compatibility issues with a specific app, or because they just really like it,” OS X Daily writes. “But then there are other users who have already made the leap beyond Snow Leopard, and are sitting on OS X Lion or OS X Mountain Lion, procrastinating and putting off the OS X Mavericks update for no good reason.”
“Let’s just say it; OS X Lion was a mess of an operating system. Between the crashes, the crazy unpredictable auto-saving behavior, the aggressive file locking and forced file duplication, and the removal of simple yet core functionality and features like Save As, many Lion users were annoyed to say the least,” OS X Daily writes. “The good news? All of those issues were mostly fixed with OS X Mountain Lion, and has been reiterated on further with OS X Mavericks. Things are better now, so if the holdup has been fear of making things worse, it’s unfounded.”
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Well –mavericks did break the smb connectivity.
this is one of the biggest issue I have with mavericks. It was meant to have better support yet I have to start up the Forklift app every time I need to connect to a windows pc as mavericks is incapable of connecting with finder. If, on the very odd occasion it does connect, it can’t be disconnected. Hopefully the .2 update fixes this
What server / version do you have problems with? Whilst slower than Win-Win file transfer, SMB should work.
I have been having smb issues myself since upgrading to Mavericks. I’ve been having trouble with Macs talking with Macs on the network. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t. When it doesn’t I have a hard time (often restarting) getting the file sharing working properly again. Once all the Macs are talking again then they are fine until I have to shut them down over the weekend (company policy). It’s made me hate Mondays. This was never a problem before Mavericks. We have 6 Macs at work by the way.
Try “cifs” instead of “smb” should work.
Use SMB with Windows. SMB protocol has different versions! Try file copying Win 2005 -Win 2008R2. Yes, it is so slow Windows itself gives up…..
Why sure I’ll upgrade, if you can tell me how to do that with a 2007 vintage 3Ghz 8 processor Mac Pro stuck at Lion.
I only recently and regretfully upgraded from Snow Leopard. By the way the box that this Mac Pro came in proudly touted “64 BIT READY!” but really was some kind of 32/64 bit hybrid not good enough for Mountain Lion or today’s prime time OS. Bummer.
Happily running a 2006 Mac Pro 1,1 with 10.9 Mavericks. The performance of 10.9 compared to 10.7 is astounding. 10.9 just feels so much nicer even for old hardware. Such a damn shame Apple cut off support at 10.7 when 10.8/10.9 feel like the refinement that 10.6 was compared to 10.5. If you’re feeling techie and you’ve got a spare hard disk and a decent video card upgrade, it’s very possible with a little reading and some effort. Just look up http://www.jabbawok.net for tutorial and downloads. Only downside is you also need a copy of Mavericks from the Mac App Store using a supported Mac or there’s always torrents.
That is bs I have been running lion 10.7.5 on my mac pro and it never crashes, never force locks files and never behaves erratically. What a bunch of crap. Must be a slow news day.
Also and like peter above show me how to update my mac pro 2,1 2007 8 core and I would lol.
One great thing about Macs – they just keep going! That’s why I haven’t upgraded yet. My old Mac won’t quit running Lion! Nary an issue, except it’s too old to run Mavericks.
I have to upgrade from Snow Leopard to run Logic X. I remember all the bitching from people being afraid to upgrade to Snow Leopard. In fact, OS X in general…
The main thing I remember over the years is the bitching. Windows, Mac, even going back to the pharaonic mainframe days. Nothing but complaining. You’d think some of these people had never been weaned. When I encounter a man who’s endured all that with a shrug and a smile, I want to buy him a drink.
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“Let’s just say it; OS X Lion was a mess of an operating system. Between the crashes…….”
So what’s different with Mavericks? I see no difference here, although I jumped from Snow Leopard to Mavericks, it seems almost as big a mess. To me, Snow Leopard was one of the most stable and best OS X’s, no crashes or glitches.
Seems nearly all Apple software these days is half baked and less intuitive, more like MS dross.
I agree, I was very happy with Snow Leopard, I have a 2008 Imac and it was fast and smooth until I upgraded to Mavericks, now my Mac is slow and nowhere near as smooth. I also had huge problems with emails that was really annoying. Best upgrade the Snow Leopard and stick there for now.
I hate the new version of Calendar!
Amen brother. It took me a while to figure it out and use it myself, and I’m good. Apple seems to have gone backwards with Calendar. It’s much less intuitive and would be a challenge to a new user. Apple needs to refocus and get back to making their software powerful, but easy and intuitive to use. Wasn’t that the one main thing that set Apple apart from the others? I don’t want to see Apple adapt the ways Microsoft has always done things, but from what I’m seeing, they’ve picked up some bad habits and I can’t figure out why.
I see things that never would have gotten past Steve Jobs. We need someone who thought like Steve to implement his philosophy and insight into such things. I’m not convinced yet that Ives is that person. It’s not too bad yet, but I do see bad things creeping into the Apple ecosystem. I wonder if they’re even aware of this.
Hubris and arrogance have led to the downfall of some pretty big players. Like IBM, Microsoft, Dell, and RIM to name a few. To not study your history, leads to repeating histories mistakes. Are you studying your history Mr Cook? I sure the hell hope so.
Some features in Calendar appear to be no longer present. UNTIL you discover them. Only a click away, but an unexpected click without any clues. I guess the Mac way of clicking is evolving in general. 3 of 4 functionalities packed into one click. Even the time you hold the mouse depressed seems to count now (example: tab bar items in Safari: how often have I found myself in tab editing mode, while the intention was to have the tab menu drop down).
Yes, I will second that. Calendar sucks. And as to the “less intuitive” comment, that seems to be true also. Change just for the sake of change is not progress. And I have been using Macs for decades. So I have a pretty good feel for the software by now.
10.7.5 is as stable and clean as I need: no crashes.
Yup, I may move to 10.9 once the next point update or two is done, but it will be because it comes installed on a new MBPro.
People say “upgrading is easy”. It is true for the OS itself.
But getting 4-5 dozen utilities, applications, suites, accessories and other crap updated and logged along with all the new licenses is what really takes the time. It is never less than 2 long days work to do this.
In addition I have to make sure that after each significant install of a 3rd party item, I do a clone so I can revert when the inevitable happens and something goes poof. Something always winds up being incompatible or doesn’t run for some stupid reason and takes a workaround or competing substitute product.
Still running Lion on my trusty early 2007 Mac Pro. I have upgraded the graphics card so it is capable of running Mountain Lion or Mavericks, but I am hesitant to mess with Terminal to make the changes necessary.
Let’s just say it; OS X Lion was a mess of an operating system…
…To put it mildly! I literally HATE 10.7.5 Lion. Shame on Apple for letting 10.7 stop dead at 10.7.5. Not acceptable. I still rant at Apple about it at every opportunity, but of course I’m wasting my time venting.
SADLY, 10.7.5 is the last version of OS X my good old reliable MacBook from 2006/11 can run. I also have beloved 10.6.8 Snow Leopard on the machine, but I still require several 10.7.5 features when I’m on the machine.
…That is, until I get my new MacBook Pro later this year. Then it will be ‘good riddance horror 10.7.5 Lion’.
BTW: Hopefully 10.9.2 will his the streets in the very near future. It is a SUBSTANTIAL improvement over the messes in 10.9.0 and 10.9.1. A lot of we beta testers made damned sure Apple didn’t rest on 10.9.1.
typo alert: “Hopefully 10.9.2 will HIT the streets…”
We had a rapidly released new beta of 10.9.2 out yesterday. Wait for it! Worth it.
Does 10.9.2 break Pages 4?
“That would be telling.”
Because of the NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement), I can’t say. But if it does, we know there will be blood…
It’s free, awesome and fast. Some developers will ding you for update though. So be ready for that.
Well, there are some major under-the-hood features in 10.9.x that require some major tweaking in certain applications. Therefore, not surprisingly, there have been some upgrade fees. But not all that many in my experience.
Where I’m finding a road block is that sandboxing is being forced in applications as of 10.9. Certain developers REFUSE to succumb to sandboxing, for better or worse, which means their apps will NEVER AGAIN work on 10.9.x on up. That’s sad. But on the other hand, sandboxing is an incredible tool for stopping malware dead. Therefore, I suggest those certain developers hold their noses and get used to sandboxing.
IIRC that sandboxing is only being forced on apps provided through the Mac app store. To get around that, they just make the app available the old-fashioned way.
Less secure? Sure. But apps like MPlayer had legitimate usability reasons for not liking how restrictive the sandbox was (i.e. they seemed fine with the *concept* of a sandbox, but the restrictions went too far for them).
I know you’re correct about Mac App Store software. There are a few applications I specifically do NOT get via the Mac App Store (exm: ClamXav) because Apple forces them to be hobbled. Instead, I get them the good old fashioned way, from the developer. (exm: ClamXav from the Mac App Store doesn’t allow live malware scanning).
If you do a search on ‘Blog Apple Sandboxing’, you’ll find there are dozens of developers who have complained about it for years, many of whom have ignored or removed their software from the Mac App Store specifically because of this requirement.
I’ve poured through my applications list and meagre brain, but cannot recall the developer who simply gave up. His app was something I used to use every day. If/when I remember, I’ll post it here.
Well, I used a Mac (until recently) that could not be upgraded beyond Lion. I entirely missed the Mountain Lion run. It seems to work well with Lion (it started out with Tiger pre-installed!). I mean, if I was having such major issues, as described in this article, I would have bought a new Mac one or two years earlier… 🙂
My 2011 27″ iMac 2.7 GHz is very lazy to wake from sleep.
It is the first OS on a Mac I’ve had that just freezes for a few second up to half a minute (but it has had other issues, too).
My 2010 headless Mini music server wakes faster, but disconnects from screen sharing too easily and has a hard time keeping its two 1 TB externals connected. (that is REALLY annoying, have to shut down, disconnect, reconnect, reboot….blah)
My 2012 MacBook 13″ seems to be the least affected other than burning up battery life much quicker.
Meanwhile, I just did some cleaning on my girlfriends old 20″ Core Duo with Snow Leopard-no issues (and quick!), my daughters 17″ Core2Duo with Lion, no issuers and even an old 1 GHz G4 iMac with Leopard (along with another 1.25 GHz) that just keep doing what they do without a hiccup.
Sounds like you have a 5400 RPM HDD installed. Try upgrading to a 7200 Enterprise quality drive, or better yet, a Fusion Drive or SSD. I’ve had really good results with cost effective Fusion Drives. OWC sells all the kit to make your own and has excellent instructions to perform the upgrade yourself. Or you can hire someone like me to perform the upgrade for you.
Nothing kills a Mac’s performance than a slow HDD. I would also suggest at least 16GB RAM. I speak strictly from experience and see this issue all the time. The solutions I mention really do work.
My iMac has a 2 TB 7200 internal and both of the Mini’s externals are 7200 on Firewire 800 w/ 32 Mb cache.
All my Macs are maxed on RAM from the get-go.
Also, these issues didn’t exist (or not as bad) before Mavericks. Thanks for the advice, though.
I have a similar iMac. Those pauses you’re seeing could be the hard drive going out. They were on mine. Apple System Profiler or anything that shows the S.M.A.R.T. status of the drive would be something to look at. Mine said “Failing” and so I replaced the drive with an SSD and hard drive in time. OWC had the parts and tools and videos to do the work myself. Because there are several different screw types and lengths I used an empty egg carton and sticky notes to keep them safe, separated and labeled.
Sounds like you have an errant process or config error stalling the wake up. Do you know how to read your console? (if so see if you are getting any stalls, respawns or timeouts on wake)
If you don’t know why a console is (much less how to interpret it’s error logs) try taking it to a genus, they should be able to take a quick look at the logs to see what is stalling you.
If you don’t to do that, try creating a new user and see if the stalls occur when you are logged (only) as the new user. If they new user is better copy your files over to the new user and kill the old one.
If the stalls continue you likely have a kernel extension or autostart process that is slowing your wakes, use time machine to back up onto a local drive and do a clean install of Mavericks (don’t restore from TM (as that will just copy the problems back in) After you have finished the clean install then launch the migration assistant to copy your user files from the Backup.
Know this: Mavericks is easily as responsive as lion (faster in some cases), if you are getting stalling something is likely wrong.
For me, Mavericks would break Compressor 3.5 on my non-OpenCL MacPro3,1. I can’t use Compressor 4, so I’m still on Mountain Lion for that machine until I’m fully versed in Adobe Premiere.
Why is it that the only people who seem to be defending Lion are the ones who’s machines are too old to upgrade.
Seriously…
Is anyone actually using Lion by choice. I was personally very happy to get rid of it. I’d much rather run Snow Leopard on an older computer.
Still running Snow Leopard on a maxed out 2008 Mac Pro. As long as the my machine holds up and my clients needs stay the same — no reason to upgrade from PERFECTION.
“As long as MY machine …” 🙂
After many incompatibilities’ issues during upgrading OSX systems, now I’m more careful and suspicious about moving on. Sure I’m going to Maverick, but I’ll keep my SnowLeopard and Lion’s hard discs safe with backups on my MacPro.
I keep 10.4 Tiger running on a G4 in my lab to operate an old piece of equipment and that OS is just as snappy as anything running on a new computer. It’s my favorite Mac OS, after that comes Snow Leopard, then, maybe, despite some serious flaws in the OS (I’m looking at you, Finder!), Mavericks.
It was a mistake to upgrade to Mavericks from Mountain Lion. I’ve gained few benefits, while Finder performance has nosedived. The spinning beach ball is routine for simple “Save as” functions and others.
At least I didn’t pay for it. That makes me feel better.
How much RAM? I’ve had to upgrade from 4 to 8 to get rid of the beach balls. Good luck!
Overall I think Mavericks is great. I have absolutely no problems with it. The only fly in the ointment concerns aesthetics. I
f only they’d stop infecting OSX with the dross that is iOS 7. Calendar is a prime example of iOS 7 dreck. Completely unusable, just like the total shit that is iOS 7.
Feeeeeling sleepy… just can’t keep my eye’s open for some reason… sooooo sleepy.
Oh, God. I agree with you a bit about iOS 7 itself. I hope they turn down the flat a bit in iOS 8. However, you are absolutely right about Calendar and Contacts. Those always sucked, and yet they somehow managed to make them suck more. Ugh.
Agreed.
iOS7: DESIGN DISASTER in the history of Apple.
Not interested using the cloud, i keep ML because i WANT to be able to synch iPhone, iPad with iTunes with a simple and direct cable!
I have also installed Mavericks, but i ONLY boot on it when working on FCPX.
DO NOT UPGRADE TO MAVERICK! It’s a buggy system that nobody is updating for compatibility. Sure for iOS, there’s 3 updates a day.
APPLE is the only one coding for Maverick…so If you use a program that’s not made by apple, then DO NOT UPGRADE TO MAVERICK!
I notice that Apple tends to introduce new features in odd-numbered versions of OS X and perfect them in even-numbered versions. 10.5, 10.7, and 10.9 have about as many critics as 10.4, 10.6, and 10.8 have fans.
That means that OS X 10.10 Renegades will probably be much better than OS X 10.9.Mavericks.
upgrade to mavericks and say farewell to your HP scanners. Shame on both companies for not fixing this.
If it ain’t broke, um….
Must be an old scanner. HP is usually pretty good with their drivers. You can’t expect companies to continue supporting legacy equipment. The cost is prohibitive. I run into this issue all the time, especially with print shop. They’ll squeeze every last nickel out of a machine.
Best thing to do, and usually the only thing to do, is to keep an older machine set up to run it.
I have some minor problems with Mavericks. The worse thing it does for me is lock up once in a while and this is after a clean system install. The lock up frequently happens when I leave FB running in the background. Otherwise, I’ve been pretty happy with it.
Couldn’t possibly be FaceBook, right?