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	<title>Comments on: The Android engagement paradox</title>
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		<title>By: hannahjs</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1113316</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hannahjs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That may be it. Glamour has its place in the hierarchy of needs.

As there are multiple uses for a smartphone, there is a spectrum of users whose peak usage statistics center around different combinations of apps. The analytics have been crude, but the rough division into two camps seems consistent across multiple reports.

It may well turn out that the iOS group are exactly those users who, more than with other platforms, value the shopping experience itself—ease of discovery and purchase, with a friendly UI, across multiple devices. The other group makes do with a crappy shopping experience or sticks to social networking and messaging.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That may be it. Glamour has its place in the hierarchy of needs.</p>
<p>As there are multiple uses for a smartphone, there is a spectrum of users whose peak usage statistics center around different combinations of apps. The analytics have been crude, but the rough division into two camps seems consistent across multiple reports.</p>
<p>It may well turn out that the iOS group are exactly those users who, more than with other platforms, value the shopping experience itself—ease of discovery and purchase, with a friendly UI, across multiple devices. The other group makes do with a crappy shopping experience or sticks to social networking and messaging.</p>
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		<title>By: Childermass</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112974</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Childermass]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 07:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You summarise the dilemma well.  Too expensive to be replacements: yes.  Smartphones are hired to do a different job: yes.  
And yet these phones are clearly being hired to do the same job the feature phone did, even thought they cost more. 
This suggests they are indeed feature phones where the &#039;smartness&#039; is perceived as more glamorous features that justify the price increase.
These users, therefore, appear neither to understand the true nature of &#039;smart&#039; nor value it.  They are buying really pimped feature phones, because that is what they want.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You summarise the dilemma well.  Too expensive to be replacements: yes.  Smartphones are hired to do a different job: yes.<br />
And yet these phones are clearly being hired to do the same job the feature phone did, even thought they cost more.<br />
This suggests they are indeed feature phones where the &#8216;smartness&#8217; is perceived as more glamorous features that justify the price increase.<br />
These users, therefore, appear neither to understand the true nature of &#8216;smart&#8217; nor value it.  They are buying really pimped feature phones, because that is what they want.</p>
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		<title>By: janekg</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112904</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[janekg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 03:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said MDN! Your perspective is spot on!
 I&#039;m sure we&#039;re all quite happy to watch the &#039;Tech Swill&#039; mire itself in the mud of its own making.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said MDN! Your perspective is spot on!<br />
 I&#8217;m sure we&#8217;re all quite happy to watch the &#8216;Tech Swill&#8217; mire itself in the mud of its own making.</p>
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		<title>By: hannahjs</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112814</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hannahjs]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It isn&#039;t replacement.

Horace knows that feature phones cost half of what smartphones cost, and when subsidized with multi year carrier contracts, even become free. 

Therefore, consumers are not merely in replacement mode. The cost of replacement is too high. 

The smartphone is hired to do a different job than the old feature phone. Since the behavior of Android and iOS users is so different, we wonder why that is. More data are required to escape the smog of speculation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It isn&#8217;t replacement.</p>
<p>Horace knows that feature phones cost half of what smartphones cost, and when subsidized with multi year carrier contracts, even become free. </p>
<p>Therefore, consumers are not merely in replacement mode. The cost of replacement is too high. </p>
<p>The smartphone is hired to do a different job than the old feature phone. Since the behavior of Android and iOS users is so different, we wonder why that is. More data are required to escape the smog of speculation.</p>
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		<title>By: m159</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112766</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[m159]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not sure Google is making enough on clicks to be content to subsidize Samsung (who already has the advantage of being their own parts supplier, and having sluggish, competition-favoring courts allow them to steal Apple&#039;s interface). What puzzles me is whatever Google&#039;s strategy was. They gain a few searches but others make big money on Freedroid, which Google developed at great cost. Is it too late to go to the microsoft model, or at least charge for android? What must Goog&#039;s shareholders think about this?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure Google is making enough on clicks to be content to subsidize Samsung (who already has the advantage of being their own parts supplier, and having sluggish, competition-favoring courts allow them to steal Apple&#8217;s interface). What puzzles me is whatever Google&#8217;s strategy was. They gain a few searches but others make big money on Freedroid, which Google developed at great cost. Is it too late to go to the microsoft model, or at least charge for android? What must Goog&#8217;s shareholders think about this?</p>
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		<title>By: Ansel</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112740</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ansel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 22:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been around friends with Android devices who tell me, “My phone does that, too, I just don’t use it.”

I hear same thing so one day I challenged two Andiod users to Face Time ...... It was funny, they finally got hooked up and then had to wait after each talked, it was kinda like a walkie talkie for face time ..... I laughed and then wife and I showed ours, it was great!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I can’t tell you how many times I’ve been around friends with Android devices who tell me, “My phone does that, too, I just don’t use it.”</p>
<p>I hear same thing so one day I challenged two Andiod users to Face Time &#8230;&#8230; It was funny, they finally got hooked up and then had to wait after each talked, it was kinda like a walkie talkie for face time &#8230;.. I laughed and then wife and I showed ours, it was great!</p>
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		<title>By: Apple is Always Right</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112680</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Apple is Always Right]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:20:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s no Android fans, they&#039;re just Apple haters, without choice and character (using a copy).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no Android fans, they&#8217;re just Apple haters, without choice and character (using a copy).</p>
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		<title>By: AlfieJr</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112672</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AlfieJr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is no mystery here, what is Dediu&#039;s problem?

very cheap Android phones are simply replacing very cheap Symbian phones, for the humdred of millions of people who don&#039;t really need a smartphone at all, and so use very little of what they can do.

duh.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no mystery here, what is Dediu&#8217;s problem?</p>
<p>very cheap Android phones are simply replacing very cheap Symbian phones, for the humdred of millions of people who don&#8217;t really need a smartphone at all, and so use very little of what they can do.</p>
<p>duh.</p>
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		<title>By: danilko1</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112666</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[danilko1]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still think that Android reports of sold/shipped/activated units are flat out lies.

I believe that usage patterns are no different from Android to iOS. Third party traffic data doesn&#039;t lie. Effectively Apple has 60% and Android has 30% of the smart-phone market. With iPads, Apple has 80% and Android has 12%.

Why is IBM data important here? I trust IBM to be impartial and non-biased, they have nothing to gain or loose.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still think that Android reports of sold/shipped/activated units are flat out lies.</p>
<p>I believe that usage patterns are no different from Android to iOS. Third party traffic data doesn&#8217;t lie. Effectively Apple has 60% and Android has 30% of the smart-phone market. With iPads, Apple has 80% and Android has 12%.</p>
<p>Why is IBM data important here? I trust IBM to be impartial and non-biased, they have nothing to gain or loose.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Thomas]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One of the things that is rarely mentioned and skews  marketshare numbers in Google&#039;s favor is the millions upon millions of phones sold in China and other developing countries that run a forked version of Android.

These phones are technically Android but cannot run mainstream Android apps and do not provide advertising revenue to Google.  So the Android platform does not benefit in any from the sale of these phones and yet they are counted and accepted in the news without question as marketshare proof against iOS.

Add to these the domestically forked versions of Android like Kindle and the BOGO selling campaigns and you end up with little value and diminutive web presence.

Essentially Android is, for the most part, replacing Symbian as the default phone os for dumb phones and dumb people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things that is rarely mentioned and skews  marketshare numbers in Google&#8217;s favor is the millions upon millions of phones sold in China and other developing countries that run a forked version of Android.</p>
<p>These phones are technically Android but cannot run mainstream Android apps and do not provide advertising revenue to Google.  So the Android platform does not benefit in any from the sale of these phones and yet they are counted and accepted in the news without question as marketshare proof against iOS.</p>
<p>Add to these the domestically forked versions of Android like Kindle and the BOGO selling campaigns and you end up with little value and diminutive web presence.</p>
<p>Essentially Android is, for the most part, replacing Symbian as the default phone os for dumb phones and dumb people.</p>
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		<title>By: 24january1984</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[24january1984]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:01:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Funny!

Same Day Loans and Bail Bonds.

There&#039;s an (Android) app for that!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny!</p>
<p>Same Day Loans and Bail Bonds.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an (Android) app for that!</p>
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		<title>By: midwestmac</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[midwestmac]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The difference is that many Android users set out to buy a phone that does some stuff on the side.

iOS users set out to buy a competent mobile computer that may also be a phone.

When you&#039;ve got to dig through a couple of menus to get to the web, and then web experience is jittery/sloppy/insert your own, then people just don&#039;t use it all that much.

I can&#039;t tell you how many times I&#039;ve been around friends with Android devices who tell me, &quot;My phone does that, too, I just don&#039;t use it.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The difference is that many Android users set out to buy a phone that does some stuff on the side.</p>
<p>iOS users set out to buy a competent mobile computer that may also be a phone.</p>
<p>When you&#8217;ve got to dig through a couple of menus to get to the web, and then web experience is jittery/sloppy/insert your own, then people just don&#8217;t use it all that much.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t tell you how many times I&#8217;ve been around friends with Android devices who tell me, &#8220;My phone does that, too, I just don&#8217;t use it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BoC</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112646</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BoC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Android is NOT a phone brand!

Google attempted to emulate MS Windows, but Google didn&#039;t charge for Android, thinking they would make it up on ad $s.

Don&#039;t think it is working for Google.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Android is NOT a phone brand!</p>
<p>Google attempted to emulate MS Windows, but Google didn&#8217;t charge for Android, thinking they would make it up on ad $s.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t think it is working for Google.</p>
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		<title>By: 3l3c7ro</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/11/26/the-android-engagement-paradox/comment-page-1/#comment-1112642</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[3l3c7ro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I travel through depressed neighbourhoods, I frequently see cheque cashing places. On Android devices, I would guess that a very popular app would be a cheque cashing place locator service and perhaps a very very lite financial tracker to remember how much they owe.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I travel through depressed neighbourhoods, I frequently see cheque cashing places. On Android devices, I would guess that a very popular app would be a cheque cashing place locator service and perhaps a very very lite financial tracker to remember how much they owe.</p>
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		<title>By: tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tbone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By its very nature, Android is meant to be fragmented. Google doesn&#039;t care. They make money off their core search products and could care less where they came from. Android will always be fragmented. Android will always be the market leader (unless one factors in the flavor of Android being run). 

Are iOS users more engaged? Probably. Is Android vulnerable to eroding market share? Not currently. Will iOS falter in the face of increased competition? Yes. 

Will Apple remain profitable in the face of all of this? Probably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By its very nature, Android is meant to be fragmented. Google doesn&#8217;t care. They make money off their core search products and could care less where they came from. Android will always be fragmented. Android will always be the market leader (unless one factors in the flavor of Android being run). </p>
<p>Are iOS users more engaged? Probably. Is Android vulnerable to eroding market share? Not currently. Will iOS falter in the face of increased competition? Yes. </p>
<p>Will Apple remain profitable in the face of all of this? Probably.</p>
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		<title>By: MacHeadB</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MacHeadB]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said MDN! Well Said!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said MDN! Well Said!</p>
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		<title>By: HM</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would say it&#039;s a matter of trust and age demographics. Android is notorious for malware and the since Android users skew younger, I think their shopping habbits and disposible income differ. That&#039;s my guess.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would say it&#8217;s a matter of trust and age demographics. Android is notorious for malware and the since Android users skew younger, I think their shopping habbits and disposible income differ. That&#8217;s my guess.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2012 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What’s interesting about googs android is that it’s open source which means it’s easily reskinned ( example kindle os ) which is probably it’s major weekness.

Maybe in the future well see

Kindle os , facebook os, Twitter os, samsung os!!! , all Android ( reskinned ) but not really android.

ANDROID WILL EAT ANDROID]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What’s interesting about googs android is that it’s open source which means it’s easily reskinned ( example kindle os ) which is probably it’s major weekness.</p>
<p>Maybe in the future well see</p>
<p>Kindle os , facebook os, Twitter os, samsung os!!! , all Android ( reskinned ) but not really android.</p>
<p>ANDROID WILL EAT ANDROID</p>
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