Comments on: Microsoft hit with lawsuit over Surface tablet’s lack of storage due to bloated Windows RT operating system

By: botvinnik

botvinnik — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 02:06:43 +0000

you must be a Red Sox fan..yukety yuk yuk.

By: Tired Of Returds

Tired Of Returds — Sat, 17 Nov 2012 01:42:43 +0000

Not this year numbskull. Yuk yuk.

By: botoncandy

botoncandy — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:57:16 +0000

” I am going to side for Microsoft on this one.
The rules have not changed. The device has 32GB of storage. The OS takes up 16 GB but there you have it.”

Oh please that’s ridiculous! If the OS takes up 1/2 of the space – and you certainly can’t run it without the OS – you only have 16GBs of storage. Pure and simple.

MS screwed up big time with this. It’s just too bad for the schmucks that bought it thinking they had a full 32GBs. But that’s what you get for trusting MS.

By: absentminded

absentminded — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 05:16:12 +0000

rofl

By: botvinnik

botvinnik — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 02:41:00 +0000

ho ho, 27 Time World Champions, dickbrain.

By: Tired Of Returds

Tired Of Returds — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 23:15:02 +0000

That coming from a Yankees fan. Ho ho.

By: NHL

NHL — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:56:24 +0000

MDN is not cheering on this lawsuit.
If you reread the MDN takes, I think you’ll see it’s clear.

MDN: “This ambulance chaser ought to sue himself
…”

By: NHL

NHL — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:52:50 +0000

The Surface did not have enough room for his Huey Lewis and The News collection.

By: 3l3c7ro

3l3c7ro — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:48:35 +0000

Boy, you sure have me pegged. I guess it is the proverbial case of the pot calling the kettle black?

By: Jerry

Jerry — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 20:27:16 +0000

iOS is not stored separately on a “separate memory space” whatever the hell that is. The IPSW files range from 700-900MB and probably equate to 1-1.5 GB of space once expanded. Additionally, 16GB is the size reported by the chip manufacturers, and of course is less once formatted.

By: @danilko1

@danilko1 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:43:36 +0000

Advertising the Surface as having “32GB” of storage when only half that is actually available crosses the line in a big way.

When somebody buys a computer with a whatever-gigabyte HD they know that not 100% of its storage space will be available, but there’s a very reasonable expectation that most of it will be available.

You can fall back on a “technically it IS 32GB!” argument but that’s a bogus defense. A device says it’s 32GB on the box, that implies you’ll be getting nearly 32GB of free space. Everybody knows that. Including, I’m sure, Microsoft.

By: Seamus

Seamus — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 19:38:47 +0000

Ohhh, I think he is.

By: Mike

Mike — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:58:11 +0000

Even if MSFT is a mortal enemy of MDN, cheering on frivolous lawsuits is no my style. The world has too many nutcases with lawyers.

By: G.T.Wilson

G.T.Wilson — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:50:42 +0000

I suggest sylvanlearning.com.

In the meantime, I’ll toss the frisbee lower.

By: Rorschach

Rorschach — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:18:52 +0000

What you’ve written makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I recognise the words, but the order they’re presented in has no meaning that I can determine.

By: RastaMouse

RastaMouse — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:59:54 +0000

Good point wzinc, the bloat is only going to get bigger!

By: MEES

MEES — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 17:42:02 +0000

Not really. OSX takes up a lot more. There is no “light install” some updates are smaller than others but OSX as a whole is big.

Regardless, this lawyer is an idiot.

By: fredman

fredman — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:56:43 +0000

be that as it may, Microthingy blew it in the face of their customers…wow…i’m surprised that they even got any.

We are talking about a mobile device here it’s not a desktop or laptop with 500Gb and up of hdd where they can easely take away 10/15gb without a problem

They blew it by gobbling up 16gb of space for the OS and blew it again for not advertising it.

This guys, have been around for decades and don’t know how to do things right.

By: wzinc

wzinc — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:38:27 +0000

A lot of times, during an install, Windows will keep a system restore snapshot so it can rollback to that point in time, should something go wrong. I’ve found that after three years or so, a 3GB Server 2003 install can take-up 10GB with updates and logs. So, your 16GB system is the smallest it will be; it only gets bigger from there…

By: danilko1

danilko1 — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:32:25 +0000

I am going to side for Microsoft on this one.

The rules have not changed. The device has 32GB of storage. The OS takes up 16 GB but there you have it. It’s no different than any other Windows device, there’s storage and then there’s what’s left after you get it up and running.

The debate may be, “Should they have advertised how much space their OS takes up?” Maybe in the system requirements of the OS, IDK.

There was no intent to be dishonest here I feel.

By: PC Apologist

PC Apologist — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:31:04 +0000

The comparison is not quite apples-to-apples.

RT includes MS Office — love it or hate it, it’s a large app suite.

By: fredman

fredman — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:27:54 +0000

For a lawyer is not very bright.

At least he ran out of space, and didn’t have is keyboard opened up like a fish

By: Raymond in DC

Raymond in DC — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:12:38 +0000

Once upon a time, a fellow buying a product that didn’t meet his expectations would return it for a refund then get on with his life. If he bought based on misleading claims he might report it to the Federal Trade Commission, then get on with his life. Now he thinks, “Hey, maybe I can sue and get a lot of money for my troubles!” A clear sign of a society in decline.

By: botvinnik

botvinnik — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 16:08:58 +0000

You’re just not a very bright person.

By: 3l3c7ro

3l3c7ro — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:52:47 +0000

That was a while ago. GWB wasn’t a lawyer was he? Oh, now I get it, you thought he was the deceased man.

By: RePlay

RePlay — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:49:40 +0000

I’m not expert on flash devices, but from my reading of the above synopsis, Apple’s OS and apps reside in their own separate memory space and the 11% is the margin set aside for “wear balancing” of the flash memory cells; the article doesn’t specify the size of the OS space.

By: botvinnik

botvinnik — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:30:12 +0000

lol, and then later that same man became President Of The United States Of America…forward!

By: Bob

Bob — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:09:35 +0000

Even 11% (9% on my 64GB iPad) is a bit much. A “lite” install of OSX takes up 2GB. iOS takes up 6GB!?

By: Bubbles

Bubbles — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:38:57 +0000

+ ∞!!

By: Chas

Chas — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:28:52 +0000

Outstanding! Good thing I’d just finished my coffee.

=:~)

By: G.T.Wilson

G.T.Wilson — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:23:48 +0000

All Apple can do is make a device thinner. Microsoft is tackling quantum physics itself by squeezing 34,359,738,368 bytes of storage into the space previously occupied by 17,179,869,184.

You people wouldn’t know innovation if it reared up and bit you.

By: Ian MacGregor

Ian MacGregor — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:17:30 +0000

People still buy Microsoft products?! That’ll teach them.

By: Predrag

Predrag — Thu, 15 Nov 2012 14:11:24 +0000

It is entirely possible (although rather unlikely) that this lawyer found out, before buying, that MS is actually falsely advertising their device, so he bought it with the purpose of suing (and meanwhile, already had an iPad). Knowing that he is a lawyer, though, makes this possibility rather distant…

A lawyer anecdote (from an actual trial):

A defending attorney was cross examining a coroner. The attorney asked, “Before you signed the death certificate had you taken the man’s pulse?”
The coroner said, “No.”
The attorney then asked, “Did you listen for a heart beat?”
“No.”
“Did you check for breathing?”
“No.”
“So when you signed the death certificate you had not taken any steps to make sure the man was dead, had you?”
“Well, let me put it this way. The man’s brain was sitting in a jar on my desk, but for all I know he could be out there practicing law somewhere.”