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	<title>Comments on: How to clean install OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion</title>
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		<title>By: enzos</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[enzos]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 07:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Generally true. But last year I got a bunch of permissions problems (and even crashes!) with Snow Leopard (originally Leopard) and upgrading to Lion didn&#039;t fix it. But a clean install and careful migration of info, accounts and folders fixed it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally true. But last year I got a bunch of permissions problems (and even crashes!) with Snow Leopard (originally Leopard) and upgrading to Lion didn&#8217;t fix it. But a clean install and careful migration of info, accounts and folders fixed it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Maguire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Maguire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 03:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On second thought, having a bootable external Hard Drive or flash drive handy or burning an install disc isn&#039;t too big of a deal. 
Guess I&#039;m still stuck in the mindset of: buy new OS, insert disc, clean install.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On second thought, having a bootable external Hard Drive or flash drive handy or burning an install disc isn&#8217;t too big of a deal.<br />
Guess I&#8217;m still stuck in the mindset of: buy new OS, insert disc, clean install.</p>
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		<title>By: dinjin201</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dinjin201]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[what happened with lion for you? :o]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what happened with lion for you? <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_surprised.gif' alt=':o' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dinjin201</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/16/how-to-clean-install-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/comment-page-1/#comment-1005851</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dinjin201]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, this. I am always afraid something will go horribly wrong :P]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, this. I am always afraid something will go horribly wrong <img src='http://s2.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: dinjin201</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/16/how-to-clean-install-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/comment-page-1/#comment-1005849</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dinjin201]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I still prefer clean installs, because some developers still don&#039;t know how to make their applications into a package so that i just drag the app to the trash. 

Instead, they litter my User/Library folder with random database files and other utter bullshit.... 

Yes, apple has us covered, if you use nothing but apple apps. But because some idiot developers decide not to stick to the proper procedures... we all get f*cked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still prefer clean installs, because some developers still don&#8217;t know how to make their applications into a package so that i just drag the app to the trash. </p>
<p>Instead, they litter my User/Library folder with random database files and other utter bullshit&#8230;. </p>
<p>Yes, apple has us covered, if you use nothing but apple apps. But because some idiot developers decide not to stick to the proper procedures&#8230; we all get f*cked.</p>
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		<title>By: dinjin201</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/16/how-to-clean-install-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/comment-page-1/#comment-1005846</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dinjin201]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As with all updates / installs, BE SURE that you have WORKING backups available. 

Make two backups, just for the hell of it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with all updates / installs, BE SURE that you have WORKING backups available. </p>
<p>Make two backups, just for the hell of it.</p>
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		<title>By: dinjin201</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/16/how-to-clean-install-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/comment-page-1/#comment-1005845</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dinjin201]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 22:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes. I wish I had done a clean install of Lion on my mac. I will rectify this when I get my hands on Mountain Lion. :)

1. Eliminates Cruft
2. Eliminates junk files. 
3. Eliminates any fragmentation that occurs (although OS X is very resilient to fragmentation, it&#039;s not immune)
4. Clean install = less bugs. Sometimes, there are migration errors that leave you with corrupt libraries. 
5. If you&#039;re installing on multiple macs, having a copy of it means not having to re-download a 5GB file again and again. :)
6. Having a copy means if you&#039;re on the go, and your OS dies, you can use that same flash drive/ DVD to reinstall, even if you don&#039;t have an internet connection.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes. I wish I had done a clean install of Lion on my mac. I will rectify this when I get my hands on Mountain Lion. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>1. Eliminates Cruft<br />
2. Eliminates junk files.<br />
3. Eliminates any fragmentation that occurs (although OS X is very resilient to fragmentation, it&#8217;s not immune)<br />
4. Clean install = less bugs. Sometimes, there are migration errors that leave you with corrupt libraries.<br />
5. If you&#8217;re installing on multiple macs, having a copy of it means not having to re-download a 5GB file again and again. <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
6. Having a copy means if you&#8217;re on the go, and your OS dies, you can use that same flash drive/ DVD to reinstall, even if you don&#8217;t have an internet connection.</p>
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		<title>By: iFan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 20:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything is backed up via Time Machine.  I too have also done the &quot;upgrade&quot; / overlay option and never had a problem.  I was just wondering if there any advantage to a &quot;clean&quot; install - it doesn&#039;t sound like it though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything is backed up via Time Machine.  I too have also done the &#8220;upgrade&#8221; / overlay option and never had a problem.  I was just wondering if there any advantage to a &#8220;clean&#8221; install &#8211; it doesn&#8217;t sound like it though.</p>
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		<title>By: PC Apologist</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/16/how-to-clean-install-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/comment-page-1/#comment-1005681</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PC Apologist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 19:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Um, it&#039;s a 7-step process, and:

Step 1 = buy it.  same as upgrading.
Step 3 = Decide if you want to install from a DVD or external hard drive.  Not really a step...
Step 5 = Reboot.  Again, not really much of a step.
Step 7 = Install it.  Same as upgrading.

So, really.. just 3 additional actual steps:

1. Show Package Contents to locate the .DMG file.
2. Restore the DMG to a DVD or drive.
3. Format your drive before installing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, it&#8217;s a 7-step process, and:</p>
<p>Step 1 = buy it.  same as upgrading.<br />
Step 3 = Decide if you want to install from a DVD or external hard drive.  Not really a step&#8230;<br />
Step 5 = Reboot.  Again, not really much of a step.<br />
Step 7 = Install it.  Same as upgrading.</p>
<p>So, really.. just 3 additional actual steps:</p>
<p>1. Show Package Contents to locate the .DMG file.<br />
2. Restore the DMG to a DVD or drive.<br />
3. Format your drive before installing.</p>
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		<title>By: kentkd34</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kentkd34]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 18:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After my Lion experiences, I am going to not do a clean install, and am going to wait 3-6 months.

User since 1988 and this is the first time I have not jumped all over an OS upgrade.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After my Lion experiences, I am going to not do a clean install, and am going to wait 3-6 months.</p>
<p>User since 1988 and this is the first time I have not jumped all over an OS upgrade.</p>
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		<title>By: mossman</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mossman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I thought that way and almost always updated (not necessarily upgraded) the day Apple made it available.

Then there was an iTunes update in 2001 with a bug that completely erased hard drives with a space as the first character (http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/11/48149). This was a somewhat common practice among Mac power users, to make drives appear at the top of the open/save dialog windows, and also quickly select the drive after clicking the desktop and pressing the spacebar (obviously Quick Look later killed the latter trick).

My system was set up that way, and it was pure luck that I wasn&#039;t home that weekend to apply the update. Sure I had backups, but any unplanned system restore as a result of malware or update bug is a serious waste of one&#039;s time.

Ever since then I&#039;ve always waited at least a few days before applying any updates that ask for an admin password.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought that way and almost always updated (not necessarily upgraded) the day Apple made it available.</p>
<p>Then there was an iTunes update in 2001 with a bug that completely erased hard drives with a space as the first character (<a href="http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/11/48149" rel="nofollow">http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2001/11/48149</a>). This was a somewhat common practice among Mac power users, to make drives appear at the top of the open/save dialog windows, and also quickly select the drive after clicking the desktop and pressing the spacebar (obviously Quick Look later killed the latter trick).</p>
<p>My system was set up that way, and it was pure luck that I wasn&#8217;t home that weekend to apply the update. Sure I had backups, but any unplanned system restore as a result of malware or update bug is a serious waste of one&#8217;s time.</p>
<p>Ever since then I&#8217;ve always waited at least a few days before applying any updates that ask for an admin password.</p>
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		<title>By: The Other Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Other Steve]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 17:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Or . . . . . .
You can just just run Lion Recovery before upgrading to Mountain Lion.
Restart your Mac and hold down Command-R.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or . . . . . .<br />
You can just just run Lion Recovery before upgrading to Mountain Lion.<br />
Restart your Mac and hold down Command-R.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://macdailynews.com/2012/07/16/how-to-clean-install-os-x-10-8-mountain-lion/comment-page-1/#comment-1005592</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:45:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just get a new Mac along with Mountain Lion, fresh and clean :D]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just get a new Mac along with Mountain Lion, fresh and clean <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: h2a</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[h2a]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree. I&#039;ve always done in-place upgrades and have never had trouble. I know that some people have had problems. Of course, those are the ones you hear about because obviously if it&#039;s working fine there&#039;s no need to post about it in the support forums.

That being said, I&#039;m with you... a backup of your drive and an attempt at an in-place upgrade that will more than likely be successful, is all you really need.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. I&#8217;ve always done in-place upgrades and have never had trouble. I know that some people have had problems. Of course, those are the ones you hear about because obviously if it&#8217;s working fine there&#8217;s no need to post about it in the support forums.</p>
<p>That being said, I&#8217;m with you&#8230; a backup of your drive and an attempt at an in-place upgrade that will more than likely be successful, is all you really need.</p>
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		<title>By: h2a</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[h2a]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 16:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with all of that. If it were 10 years ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all of that. If it were 10 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: tbone</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[tbone]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no scientific or technical reason to prevent you from doing an upgrade in place. Back up your drive. You do back up your drive, don&#039;t you? 

All this desire for clean installs went out the door with System 9. All the voodoo you hear from &quot;experts&quot; is a bunch of self-aggrandizing chatter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no scientific or technical reason to prevent you from doing an upgrade in place. Back up your drive. You do back up your drive, don&#8217;t you? </p>
<p>All this desire for clean installs went out the door with System 9. All the voodoo you hear from &#8220;experts&#8221; is a bunch of self-aggrandizing chatter.</p>
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		<title>By: MizuInOz</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MizuInOz]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:13:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is an alternative to sitting and hoping that your new upgrade won&#039;t be  a bad decision because of glitches, (Not that has ever happened with an OSX upgrade):

Wait until the shakedown cruise has been at least midway or back in port, if you can wait that long.

I am now giving major upgrades an at least two week hiatus. 

Just a thought.

As for clean install: most definitely. 8 steps - geez, anal much?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an alternative to sitting and hoping that your new upgrade won&#8217;t be  a bad decision because of glitches, (Not that has ever happened with an OSX upgrade):</p>
<p>Wait until the shakedown cruise has been at least midway or back in port, if you can wait that long.</p>
<p>I am now giving major upgrades an at least two week hiatus. </p>
<p>Just a thought.</p>
<p>As for clean install: most definitely. 8 steps &#8211; geez, anal much?</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[paul]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For &quot;Windos&quot; a clean install is crucial. For OS-X.......Nahhh, Apples got you covered.  I&#039;ll do exactly as Apple recommends.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For &#8220;Windos&#8221; a clean install is crucial. For OS-X&#8230;&#8230;.Nahhh, Apples got you covered.  I&#8217;ll do exactly as Apple recommends.</p>
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		<title>By: Spark</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Spark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good advice for a Mac Pro. Not as practical with an iMac where you have literally dismantle the machine to swap the drive .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good advice for a Mac Pro. Not as practical with an iMac where you have literally dismantle the machine to swap the drive .</p>
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		<title>By: BoC</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BoC]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Right now you can get a mini USB stick from Apple for Lion for somewhere just north of $60.  

I suspect Apple will offer the OS on a USB stick for Mountain Lion, as some people need to update a half dozen Macs in a family.

The idea of updating a hard drive just never occurs to me.  I always get a new hard drive, or if it is an expensive SSD, I clone off the old OS to an external HD, make sure it works, wipe the internal drive and proceed with a &quot;clean install&quot;.

I&#039;ve never been a fan of in-place upgrading to a new major OS release, because of the occasional glitch and the issues of 3rd party applications and utilities which all need to be checked out for compatibility.

Multiple bootable clones of your old OS is the only way to know you can survive if the new OS flops for any sort of reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right now you can get a mini USB stick from Apple for Lion for somewhere just north of $60.  </p>
<p>I suspect Apple will offer the OS on a USB stick for Mountain Lion, as some people need to update a half dozen Macs in a family.</p>
<p>The idea of updating a hard drive just never occurs to me.  I always get a new hard drive, or if it is an expensive SSD, I clone off the old OS to an external HD, make sure it works, wipe the internal drive and proceed with a &#8220;clean install&#8221;.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been a fan of in-place upgrading to a new major OS release, because of the occasional glitch and the issues of 3rd party applications and utilities which all need to be checked out for compatibility.</p>
<p>Multiple bootable clones of your old OS is the only way to know you can survive if the new OS flops for any sort of reason.</p>
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		<title>By: iFan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[iFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are there any advantages to doing a clean install versus an overlay install?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there any advantages to doing a clean install versus an overlay install?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Maguire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Maguire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jul 2012 14:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seriously? An 8 to 10 step process for a Clean Install. &quot;Do Not Like.&quot;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously? An 8 to 10 step process for a Clean Install. &#8220;Do Not Like.&#8221;<br />
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