“A number of Mac users are moaning over the fact that some models as little as four years old won’t run Mountain Lion, at least according to published reports,” Gene Steinberg reports for The Tech Night Owl. “A notable example is my son’s early 2008 Black MacBook. It runs Lion perfectly well, but the needs of 10.8 are far more demanding. In order to run Mountain Lion, a Mac needs to be able to boot into a 64-bit kernel and possess what is regarded as ‘Advanced GPU’ chipset.”
“These two requirements eliminate models with 32-bit firmware, and older Intel integrated graphics, such as the GMA 950 on my son’s MacBook,” Steinberg reports. “I do realize there are already hacks out there that will allow you to “induce” Mountain Lion to install despite having subpar hardware. But it may not be worth the effort, and perhaps it’s time for those who have those older Macs to consider an upgrade.”
Read more in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: Longtime Mac users are used to moving forward. Newer users, coming from stagnant platforms that follow Apple at a great distance, might be surprised, but pushing the human race forward doesn’t happen with stagnant old hardware and slavish adherence to “backwards compatibility.”
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And you know, they don’t have to update right away either. It’s not like OS X 10.7 or even 10.6 will just suddenly stop working once Mountain Lion is released.
I still use my old G5 as a media server.
MacDailyNews Take: Longtime Mac users are used to moving forward. Newer users might be surprised, but pushing the human race forward doesn’t happen with stagnant old hardware and slavish adherence to “backwards compatibility.”
I wasn’t sure if MacDailyNews was talking about Macs or Republicans
Clue is on the first line/sentence.
Moving forward is fine if it’s to a better place. Jettisoning what works in order to simply “move forward” for the sake or “progressing” is stupidity. “New” isn’t always better. Rampant permissiveness, new definitions for established words and ideas, the “if it feels good, do it” mentality, and other general “progressivist ideas” have severely hurt the progress of the U.S.A., Europe, and many other parts of the world.
Again, moving forward is fine if it’s to a better place. I believe that outside of racism and sexism, precious little of what’s happened in the U.S. since the 1960s has resulted in any real progress. Almost all of it has degraded Amercian life.
Yeah! And you punks get off my lawn!
And this has what to do with the subject? The world revolves around its axis, not the USA; a fact a great many Americans on here seem to struggle to parse. I have a 2003 PowerBook that runs just fine using Leopard. It can’t move forward due to the PowerPC chip, but it’s immaculate and still perfectly useable. My mid-2011 Mini will handle Mountain Lion, and I hope upgrades for some considerable time to come, but I’m not going to get all bent out of shape over it when it finally fails to be upgradable.
You continue to reply like a vulture, savaging over others. People can comment how ever they please; jokingly or with complaints – as you do. Yet from my observations you only prey on replies.
Point is nothing is truly obsolete until the owner believe so.
Agreed, (as others might feel my obsolete) Macintosh Plus still runs system 7.1 and illustrator 1.1. And, yeah I have done some small emergency projects with it not too long ago – while repairing my workstation. Useful is any tool and only dead fro those who say otherwise.
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This mindset that requires politicizing everything and bending a subject past its breaking point to create an excuse to go on an ideological rant…. It’s just a mystery to me. What a horrible way to live.
Back OT, I am disappointed that my original Mac Pro will not run Mountain Lion, but I also appreciate that Apple steadfastly refuses to get into a backwards compatibility quagmire like Windows.
O.K., I’ll Take you at your word and understand you to mean that you are against these things.
01- 18 Year olds voting
02- Legalization of Interracial marriage.
03- Voting Rights Act banning poll taxes, etc.
04- Child Nutrition Programs that have greatly reduced childhood hunger in the United States.
05- Equal Pay for Equal Work.
06- Miranda Rights. (Being told your legal rights at the time of arrest)
07- Right to Counsel. (Public Defenders if you cannot afford an attorney).
08- Universal Kindergarten.
09- Clean Air Act. The Air in LA is now cleaner than 40 years ago when only 1/3 as many cars and trucks were in use.
10- Clean Water Act.
11- Housing Rights (elimination of discrimination in housing).
12- Opening the Armed Forces to Women (as opposed to highly limited role) Including Service Academies.
13- Pell Grants for Higher Education.
14- Civil Rights Act.
15- Airline Deregulation.
16- Ending of compulsory military service and creation of a professional volunteer Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine Corps.
17- Consumer Product Safety Commission.
18- Widespread banning of public smoking.
19- Compulsory child restraint laws & seat belt laws.
20- Car Safety Acts that have reduced traffic deaths by better than 30,000 people/year despite a doubling of the number of cars & trucks and a tripling of mileage.
21- Breakup of the AT&T monopoly which has drastically reduced the cost of phone service and greatly improved service.
22- End of witch hunts against LGBT people and the ongoing move to marriage equality.
23- Federally Funded research in to Cancer, Heart Disease, Stroke and Immunology that has saved, improved and lengthened hundreds of millions of lives.
24- Banning of High Sulfur Diesel Fuel & Leaded Gasoline.
25- The creation of the World Wide Web from DARPANET (US Department of Defense), and yes- Al Gore championed and sponsored legislation as a Congressman & Senator to enable and fund the hand over of DARPANET to the world.
These is more, but you get the point. It’s easy to make generalizations and throw verbal bombs. It’s harder to defend your flame throwing rhetoric.
I can see several of those that didn’t help things much: 1,8,13,18, for beginners.
Great post, PAP!
And 30 of those 42 years were under Republican regimes. Makes you wonder who’s the problem, eh?
Love how republicans take credit for the liberal policies they opposed.
Also–ever wonder why the economy almost always does better under liberal control and higher taxes (on the rich)? It doesn’t take much research, if you’re interested in a few facts. The average republican is so dumbed-down by Fox they would eagerly agree to revert to Reagan era taxes.
Spoken like a true Regressionist.
A teacher asked her 6th grade class how many of them were Obama fans.
Not really knowing what an Obama fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raised their hands except for Little Johnny.
The teacher asked Little Johnny why he has decided to be different… again.
Little Johnny said, “Because I’m not an Obama fan.”
The teacher asked, “Why aren’t you a fan of Obama?” Johnny said, “Because I’m a Republican.”
The teacher asked him why he’s a Republican. Little Johnny answered, “Well, my Mom’s a Republican and my Dad’s a Republican, so I’m a Republican.”
Annoyed by this answer, the teacher asked, “If your mom were a moron and your dad were an idiot, what would that make you?”
With a big smile, Little Johnny replied, “That would make me an Obama fan.”
Cute but stupid.
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Good chuckle.
Cue morons laughing.
cue omas and opas around the world laffing.
Yeah, Columbia & Harvard are full of idiots and morons.
However, we know slanthead Hannity and Rushbo the Hillbilly Heroin Addict are products of the finest schooling…
Seems you are a lonely soul to include a political statement just to get a reaction. Time for you to go back under the bridge before the goats toss under it…again
Please apple. Allow for support of iCloud in lion to continue for at least a year. The only reason I upgraded from snow leopard to lion was for iCloud support. I was perfectly happy with snow leopard.
Snow Leopard is a great OS and I intend to keep it on one of my machines. The rest are lions.
Wait will apple kill support for iCloud eventually in lion
New Mac user (-:
There are some cost effective ways to “keep up”.
Sell the old Mac through gazelle.com or other outfit…
Then buy a 2010 or 2011 used MacBook Pro or Air. If you want a warranty then buy a used Mac through the Apple Store’s “Special Deals” section at the bottom left corner.
Where there’s a need, we can minimize the bleed.
As a relatively new convert to the Mac ecosystem, I don’t face this problem. But then again one of the reasons I converted was Apple’s migration to the Intel chip architecture that had greater processing powers, and iterated those powers at a greater rate, than the old Power PC chip.
I see Apple’s move to wholly 64-bit architecture on Mountain Lion as a forward thinking move and can only be good in the long run as old users are forced to migrate to newer systems to obtain the greatest benefit from the OS. I have no qualms about moving to ML as my move to Lion from Snow Leopard was seamless and has resulted in a faster, smoother, better computing experience.
“But then again one of the reasons I converted was Apple’s migration to the Intel chip architecture that had greater processing powers…”
The “old Power PC chip” was a 64 bit chip. The OS and apps that ran on it were 64 bit also. Going to Intel was a huge step BACKWARD to the 32 bit world. That’s why a clock speed comparison between a Dell and a Power Mac G5 was meaningless.
What! You mean I can’t install 10.8 on my 2003 PowerMac G5??? This is the last straw, I’m going out right now and buying a PC so I can have backward compatibility for 20 more years. Ehh, on second thought…. I’d rather use my PMG5 for another 20 years than buy a new PC.
My 2008 MacBook won’t run Mountain Lion. But I’m not too upset. I was thinking of upgrading this year anyway. And four years ain’t a bad run for a computer. Back in the day, I never got more than three out of a PC, and the last year was sheer misery.
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Something is a bit wrong with this concept.
A (stereo)typical Windows sufferer tends to be forced to replace his slow-as-molasses PC every two to three years, because by that time, the hundreds of malware and crapware applications slow it down so much that an ordinary person simply believes that the PC is obsolete and must be replaced.
We Mac users so often brag about using our ancient Macs for 6, 8 or even 10 years (how many in this thread alone have mentioned their PowerPC Macs already?).
So here we have a paradox: in the Windows world, where PCs are replaced every three years, almost half of those PCs continue to run Windows XP (11 years old). Meanwhile, in the Mac world, where people proudly use their 8-year old PPC G4 Macs, the most common OS is barely 2 years old (SL), and Apple essentially shuts all those older Macs out of the newer OS.
Crud. Guess I need to give up my 1993 G3 blue and white tower.
Nah, it still works wonders for my embroidery digitizing software. Besides, it’s never been down- why chance it.
All of the Wintel (i.e: computer / motherboard) manufacturers are moving to 64-bit OS’s. I know Macs have been doing it for a while, but now even Intel (perhaps in collusion with Windows) is pushing OEM’s to use 64-bit Windows.
Case in point: Intel’s newest reference mobo is the ‘DX79SI’ which utilizes their X79 Express chipset and has an LGA2011 socket. Asus’ flagship mobo utilizes a similar design.
The point is, both of these manufacturers provide eight (8!) ram slots providing up to 32GB of ram space.
When I first saw it, I was like, ‘wtf??’ Because I knew that Windows 32-bit can only utilize up to 4 GB of ram.
Then, I remembered that Windows 64-bit can use (if I remember correctly) up to 192GB, but certainly much more than just 4GB.
I really think that Intel has introduced this new platform to finally push Windows users on from 32-bit systems.
I’m just glad I got a new iMac this past November
It’s Apple folks. Strap in and hang on. We don’t sit in a rocking chair like Microsloth.
Besides, your old stuff will still work if you don’t/can’t upgrade and likely still be faster than a newer PC. Most of the old Macs I’ve given away to poor, trapped PC users have been.
Intel graphics always were crap, but Apple said everything would be OK, and that’s all they offered, al least if you wanted a desktop(Mac mini) or a small laptop (13″), so we held our noses and paid up. Now Apple is saying, hah hah suckers, you bought our shit, now buy it again, because we pushed out the cheapest crap intel graphics, but now you can go suck it, even if you don’t need to play games or do graphic intensive stuff. It ain’t cool.
They should not have bought Macs with vampire video (integrated graphics) and shame on Apple for selling their high priced products with Wal-Mart center aisle shit video HW. Integrated Video is UNACCEPTABLE at Apple’s price points.
1) I have a feeling that a lot of the compatibility issues come from apple’s experience when os x originally came out for full sale. It was delivered installible and runnable on G3 macs with some functionality deprecated, and apple got sued. Since then, there haven’t been any os x versions sold where, for example, you could install it on a certain machine and it would run, with just time machine or something else not working. Now the only way to get that kind of install is to circumvent the installer, and once you do that you have no ability to sue.
2) Nevertheless, much of the belligerence directed towards people with older machines is obnoxious, and pretty fscking stupid. It is asinine to brag that Apple’s machines stay in use longer than pcs, and then bitch at the people making use of that selling point.
3) While the older machines may still run, the way os x is structured makes that of limited benefit. Because os x is object orientiented and depends so much programs making use of functionality built into the operating, very few vendors, including apple, provide updates that work with older os x versions, even when the update doesn’t use any of the new features. The older software versions run, but that isn’t a lot of help when you can’t log into anything, log on to wireless networks, get into email, etc because standards and protocols have changed. While i could plug in my old color classic and basically do anything with it now I could do with it then, the same cant be said of my cube.
Upgrading one computer is not that big of a deal but when you have to upgrade 5 computers is becomes a bit of an obstacle. Besides the computers there is also the software that has to be upgraded. Now I am looking at $15,000 just to use the cloud and all I really want to do is synchronize my address book and bookmarks.
Valid points, Aldo. This is especially tough for those with multiple Macs.
I myself am planning to do a significant upgrade. I figure it will cost me at least $6,000.00 to upgrade a single Mac system. How often can I do that? Macs normally last a long time, but not if resources we will need will be locked out.
I don’t want Apple to have to support all past systems like Microdogsoft had done for so long to its detriment. But some concern of the issues this raises for people without unlimited funds is needed for Apple to help its loyal users.
We need to progress and accept redundancy as it occurs. Get over it and move on, the future is here. Griping and moaning prolongs the agony.
Yes, Mac users are used to moving quickly. But that is very harmful to some people. There really should be some thought to not leaving so many behind so quickly. Some are retired people on fixed incomes who, nonetheless, love and use technology. Some are professionals running their own businesses, but in smaller markets without easy money to upgrade constantly.
I’m not sure what the answer is. I don’t want the brakes put on the future. I love moving to better things. But this should not just be taken as a “too bad – get with it or get left behind” moment. This really is an issue to many people. And Windows should not be their option.
So life only matters if you’re on the latest OS?
Not being “on the latest OS” is not the issue, WTFrank.
The fact that a particular model can’t run Mountain Lion does not make it “obsolete”. It simply makes it non-upgradable to Mountain Lion. I still have a seven-year-old 12″ powerbook that runs both Tiger and Leopard like a champ. Who cares whether it can run the very latest version of OS X? It is still a very useful machine. The notion that a Mac’s inability to run the latest and greatest version of OS X makes it worthless is ridiculous.
The issue isn’t Mountain Lion. It’s the other aps and upgraded aps which will require ML in order to function. The needed system requirements for ML will become the new default for certain other aps. ML is just the lead-in. It is not the main problem by itself. If “older” Macs are precluded from running ML, they will also have problems with other applications, especially including some of Apple’s. Final Cut Pro X, as I have found, is already needing power not found in some current configurations. (It’s increasingly a great pro application, by the way. I differ from the naysayers on that one.)
I hear what you’re saying, but my old powerbook’s inability to run the latest software doesn’t make it obsolete either. It doesn’t seem unreasonable to me that people who want to run the latest and greatest software may have to upgrade their Macs in order to do so. Like most choices in life, it’s a trade-off.
Err.. Why is it reasonable, pray tell? I mean, if there’s some clear technological reason why, or if it is really hard for Apple to keep supporting, fair enough. But this is just a case of supporting an old graphics card. Not a big technological problem.
Why is it reasonable? Uh… Common sense? Whether it is hard or easy for Apple to keep supporting new software on old hardware, it is not reasonable for owners of old hardware to expect their aging machines to run the latest software. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don’t. That’s life.
Well duh, I don’t even expect a brand new machine to run all software, unless it’s speced appropriately. But I expect a machine to run any software which the hardware is capable of. No software company would pull this shit. Adobe wouldn’t stop their software running even if there is no hardware reason it can’t run. Apple can pull this shit because they don’t rely on software sales.
Pull what “shit”? What exactly are you all in a twist about?
The “shit” is not supporting hardware that is perfectly capable of running their software. There is nothing in mountain lion that needs better hardware. The ppc decommission was a different story. It was a drain on apple to support two architectures. Even the 32 bit intel decommission was somewhat justified for the same reasons. But there is nothing like this here. Mountain lion runs as-is on the old hardware if you force it.
It doesn’t make any sense for Apple to disqualify hardware that is perfectly capable of running Mountain Lion. Apple must think that these machines don’t run Mountain Lion well enough to be included. I don’t know enough about hardware architecture to question their judgment. Ars Technica wrote an article about this issue last week. Also note that Apple’s hardware requirements for Mountain Lion apply only to the pre-release version that is now being tested.
You give apple too much credit. They have a long history of holding features back for no technical reason. Whether it be Siri in the iPhone 4 and ipad which used to work, or search features withheld from iPod click wheel models back in the day, or various features they withheld from the iPhone 3G for no good reason, this is how apple works.
You give apple too much credit. They have a long history of holding features back for no technical reason. Whether it be Siri in the iPhone 4 and ipad which used to work, or search features withheld from iPod click wheel models back in the day, or various features they withheld from the iPhone 3G for no good reason, this is how apple works.
Everything is a matter of perception. You have created a story in your own mind in which Apple has a long history of withholding, withholding… And yet you’re still an Apple customer. If I felt the way you do, I’d ditch Apple before I got an ulcer.
Apple sucks. It’s just that everyone else sucks way way more. I’m not getting any ulcer over it though.
No, you’re just giving everybody else an ulcer with your tiresome refrain: “Apple sucks! Apple sucks!” 😀
We’ve got a seven year old Powerbook at home that still runs. It was finally upgraded not because it wasn’t working, but because we couldn’t stand it anymore and just had to upgrade. Like yours, it still works. I think there is a point when people can’t expect their equipment to be supported. I admit to missing some applications that ran on OS 9, but I really don’t expect Apple to go back and support that architecture.
I do think that some past hardware could be supported for a longer period without a major issue. We should not have a thought cross our mind that Apple is arbitrarily leaving behind hardware for economic (for Apple) reasons, rather than technological ones.
Powerbooks are pretty old. It’s the more current MacBook Pro’s we’re really concerned about. Again, I love the forward movement of Apple. We all do. But what if we had to upgrade every 12 or 24 months in order to “keep up” with current applications. Would that be reasonable? It would not be to me. So I guess the question is, what recent machines should still be supported? Or, might there be a workaround, even one that costs a small amount, that could allow some of this equipment to last longer. I mentioned elsewhere my concern with those who simply don’t have the funds to keep up. I’d rather extend what they’ve got as long as we can.
Something else… I often recommend spending a bit more when buying a Mac for processor or RAM not to have the latest and greatest, but to extend its end life. Sometimes it will eek out an extra year or two by doing that.
Not just MacBook pros, why is Apple throwing Mac Pro owners to the dogs? I mean they are all 64 bit, and all presumably have decent graphics. Plus they are sticking it to the businesses running Xserves.
Chris, maybe I missed it. Has there been some announcement from Apple that they will be discontinuing pro machines? The MacPro’s are already pretty long in the tooth now. With others, I really hope they release a significant upgrade to them soon. You are correct that a properly configured MacPro, even a somewhat older one, should be able to run ML or be allowed an upgrade path to do so. However, I also believe that MacPros are almost all owned by pros (or pro-wannabes) who are generally able (or should be able) to afford upgrades on some regular schedule. But I would support a way to upgrade them for this. That would seem reasonable to me.
I expect announcements of updated hardware soon. Don’t know about the MacPros, but I hope they will be included.
It’s not that they’re discontinuing Mac pros, it’s that they aren’t supporting older ones.
And while the original user of a Mac pro, probably for video editing or something, might have moved on, he might have given that machine to someone else in his family or organization. And he might have bought the Mac pro, (and paid a massive premium for doing so) on the understanding that he could redeploy it thus, and get more life out of it when it may not be state of the art anymore, but is still a damned powerful machine.
Plus a lot of educational institutions have Mac pros and they can’t afford to upgrade them on apples schedule, neither can they deal with issues of supporting multiple versions of the OS.
Some people think Apple is turning into a greedy money-grubber like all the rest, but I think that’s hogwash. I think Apple tries to strike a balance between the desire to keep pushing the envelope and the need to do what is best for the majority of their customers. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they don’t. If the day ever comes when Mac users have to buy new hardware every 12-24 months to run the latest software, the whole Macintosh community will be in crisis and Apple’s day will be done. I hope that day never comes.
As to Mountain Lion’s hardware requirements, some people are getting off easier than others. It seems entirely reasonable that five-year-old machines are not supported, much less reasonable that some three-year-old Macs are in the same boat. But when Apple was designing those three-year-old machines 4-5 years ago, they may not have known exactly where they’d be taking OS X 4-5 years later.
The simple fact is that technological change is almost always disruptive as well as empowering. I basically trust Apple to do their best to minimize the damage when big changes are introduced; but I also see signs that their very great success may be going to their heads a little. And nobody’s perfect. Once in awhile, Apple makes a seriously bone-headed move.
Going forward, it is very important that Apple not lose sight of the practical needs of their customers in their eagerness to keep raising the bar. Then there’s the question of whether Apple is actually raising the bar or lowering it when they try to make OS X more idiot-proof? Apple has so much going on right now that it’s hard to know what the Mcintosh landscape will look like when the smoke clears.
Re. Spending a little more when buying a new Mac:
I agree. I always advise people to get as close to the leading edge of the curve as their budget will allow. It pays dividends in the long run.
Omalansky, I agree with all you said.
Mountain Lion will be the first release that I have no interest in. My laptop (2nd ten Intel) will not run it. My iMac will, but I like to keep everything the same on similar hardware. No compelling reason to upgrade for me.
I used to feel that Apple made insanely great products out of personal pride and to empower and delight customers. But they seem to be shifting towards letting the bottom line dictate most decisions.
I understand that it’s important to move forward as technology progresses; but lately it feels like Apple uses every innovation to upsell customers to the latest product iteration and make every past product feel prematurely obsolete by withholding.
Surely they have the cash to update Snow Leopard (the current operating system 8 months ago) to run iCloud. Siri could likely run fine on the iPad 2 and iPhone 4. And refusing to unlock even out-of-contract iPhones continues to be oppressive.
A lot of people are making comments about people having old hardware. I have a first gen MacBook Air from 2008 and it’s not compatible. I feel a little slighted. Lesson learned don’t buy Gen 1 computers and buy at your own risk. Lion works fine so I guess I’m stuck until I upgrade and gamble again. Not a deal breaker but I do feel slighted. Apple convince me it was the new hotness.
It was the new hotness… Four years ago. You’ll have gotten four-and-a-half years of use out of a machine, and you can get probably another year out of it if you don’t mind not having the latest & greatest. Then, you can sell it – for a surprisingly decent price – and roll that money into the next machine. TCO will likely be lower than a similar PC.
Besides, I’d bet you’d be complaining in 18 months if your machine HAD been able to run Mountain Lion and was instead not able to run Über Lion or whatever the next OS is.
So far, the MDN poll shows, people are able to upgrade to OSX 10.8 ML. Thanks for the poll MDN.
Yeah, I can upgrade my main Mac. But does that mean I can upgrade my media centre, the wife’s, my business and the 4 kids? Nope. And just like an enterprise, I don’t really want to be supporting multiple versions of the OS.
The poll is aimed at a select group: tech savvy Mac lovers.
That hardly makes it reliable beyond MDN readers.
I’m still running Tiger. what am I missing?
You’re missing software that doesn’t run well on Tiger. Since you clearly don’t need that software, you missing nothing!
Keep enjoying Tiger!
Mac user since 1987.
I used to be all about the upgrade. I just couldn’t be left behind. Yet, when Snow Leopard came out and wouldn’t install on my 2-year-old G5, I decided to wait.
Well, Snow Leopard has come and gone. Lion has come and is soon gone, and I’m still making money with my G5 and my MacBook Pro (running Leopard for compatibility).
I am so over the upgrade “gotta-have-it”.
But then, I put my beige G3 out to pasture this past summer. It still runs OS9, I just needed more desk space.
Enjoy the folly!