Some snippets:
• Mr. Narayen says that the difference is that Adobe believes in open content. He says that their Creative Suite software was designed to work on multiple devices and that Apple’s ‘recent behavior shows that they are concerned about Adobe being able’ to provide this product that works across multiple platforms.
MacDailyNews Take: Disingenuous remarks that simply have no basis in facts. Adobe’s Flash is proprietary. It is not open, it is closed. Mr. Jobs clearly explained all this earlier today. If Adobe actually believed in open content, then they would be working to provide authoring tools to create the best HTML5 experience possible, not pimping their proprietary, closed, dying Flash.
• He says that Apple’s restrictiveness is just going to make it “cumbersome” for developers who are trying to make products that work on many devices. They’re going to have to have “two workflows” … one for Apple devices and one for others.
MacDailyNews Take: More poppycock. We do not want lowest common denominator software. Mr. Jobs clearly explained all this earlier today, too. As we’ve written many times before: “Adobe’s Flash is a proprietary, resource-hogging, browser-crashing abomination and, even more importantly, we don’t want ported software on our iPhones, iPads, or Macs because software designed for the lowest common denominator is inferior to software designed to take advantage of individual platforms’ strengths. Adobe is lazy and they want to cater to developers like themselves. When given a choice between going the extra mile to accomplish great work that’s custom-tailored to individual platforms or clicking a button to excrete watered-down ported results, lazy Adobe will always choose the latter. Android and the rest of the me-too also-rans are perfect for Adobe. May they all drown together in their homogenized puddle of mediocrity.”
The rest of Narayen’s weak, baseless bleats can be found here.
MacDailyNews Take: If Adobe really wants to go to war with Apple, they must have a death-wish.
Note to advertisers: (including those who advertise via third-party ad networks and become, in effect, our advertisers): Your Flash-based ads are no longer reaching the most well-heeled customers online: 50+ million iPhone owners. They’re also not hitting brand new iPad users or 35+ million iPod touch users. If you care about reaching people with discretionary income, you might want to consider dumping your flash-based ads and moving to a more open format that people with money and the will to spend it can actually see.
Help kill Adobe’s Flash:
• Ask MarketWatch to offer HTML5 video via the customer support web form here.
• Ask CNBC to offer HTML5 video via the customer support web form here.
• Contact Hulu and ask them to offer HTML5 video via email:
• Ask ESPN360 to offer HTML5 video instead Flash via their feedback page here.
• Join YouTube’s HTML5 beta here.
• On Vimeo, click the “Switch to HTML5 player” link below any video.
By the way, do not buy Adobe’s Photoshop Elements until you have tried Pixelmator’s free 30-day trial. We use Pixelmator daily.
Check out the full video:
http://online.wsj.com/video/pm-report-flash-fight/2A24D1CF-057D-40E1-ACC5-5A805BC471D9.html
The interviewer tried to get him to respond to Steve Jobs letter point by point, but that’s when the Adobe CEO said, “that’s all smokescreen”.
Translation: “I can’t respond to his points because they’re all true.”
Now, who’s the one with the smokescreen. What a douche.
I love my iPhone. It is the best phone on the market. However it is the most propritary os on the market. If you really believe in open software buy android it is 100% open source!
What an ass hat.
I have a foolproof way of telling that Shantanu Narayen is lying…
his lips are moving.
Yeah right. Apple has a problem with developers? There are only a measly 200,000 apps on the iTunes store. I guess I’ll just have to live with that tiny fraction of what’s possible.
Jeesh!
One has to wonder why Apple doesn’t just buy them and call it a day.
Hopefully people will be able to clearly see which CEO is telling the truth.
F Adobe I used to back them with PDF but since John left the company it”s Not the same. I knew the Macromieda was a bad buy when they said it was just to get Flash!!!
I bet Quark is loving this! My shop is thinking of dumping Adobe for Quark and other image software. Quark has real XML which my shop needs NOW!!!
whatevers! build your own damn adobe/flash phone then. who really cares at this point, they aren’t the only video “player” on the field anymore. grow up or shut up.
@ Rodger
And 100% fragmented.
I agree, buy them out! Add PhotoShop to Apple’s line of Mac only products, and kill Flash once and for all!
Amusing! The one complaint I have about the iPhone has nothing to do with Flash. When I travel overseas, unless I want to pay exhorbitant roaming fees, I have to take along another phone. Why? I cannot unlock the iPhhone (legally) and insert a local sim card. That’s the kind of restriction I hate.
100 apps were made with flash for the iPhone? ooh – such massive developer adoption…
Reminder. Apple has the consumer’s mindshare, not Adobe.
Maybe Shantanu is unfit to be Adobe’s CEO.
@ Rodger
http://www.macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/24844/
Adobe knows how to make an “open” development package. It’s called DreamWeaver. This is not a debate on whether DW is your cup of tea for web development, but rather to point out that is a tool that let’s you work in .php, .asp, html, javascript, etc. Adobe already builds this tool to handle true web standards, they could easily make it more muscular with HTML5 and h.264 tools. In fact their is no reason why one can’t use these within DreamWeaver now. This is about an inevitable end of life for Flash and Adobe’s attempt to milk it as long as possible.
@David F
Blame your carrier, not Apple.
=:~)
I expect Adobe to drop their next CS bloated POS for the Mac soon. Or relegate it to, “we do windows first and screw you Mac users” mode.
Fine. I’m pretty sure Apple will have a solution to replace that Adobe POS Bloated Windows designed suite.
I really want to tell Adobe to go blank its self.
But I can’t.
We need Creative Suite at work. There are no substitutes for InDesign, Photoshop and Illustrator.
Apple could come out with an alternative for PS, but not the other two and whatever Apple comes out with will be missing all those great plug-ins PS has.
PS is really a robust software package that is near to impossible for the professional to replace.
Can’t we all just get along and do what I want?
Most of the media morons who report that “Apple is closed / Android is open” don’t even know what it means. If you asked them what they mean, most will not be able to explain it adequately.
In many way, Apple is MORE open, because they mostly profit from selling you the hardware. Apple is motivated to create the best user experience possible, to sell more hardware, not to be “open” or “closed.” Google and Adobe, on the other hand, have to make money somehow…
Fortunately for Apple, most “real” customers don’t care about the word “open,” and don’t even know what it means in this context. They just care about user experience, and that’s where Apple shines, because that’s what Apple cares about too.
@ Rodger – You have to be blind not to see that Apple is one of the biggest and most vocal champions of an open internet. Not only are they supporting and pushing HTML5, CSS3 and Javascript, but their own WebKit project is leading the charge for an open web on mobile devices. If you really believed in supporting an open internet, you’d be able to acknowledge that.
Adobe = Chihuahua Of tech. There is no valid reason for it to exist…
Yes, I think chihuhuas are pointless… If I wanted something that ugly, I’d take two grapes and tape them to a lemon.
“He says that Apple’s restrictiveness is just going to make it “cumbersome” for developers who are trying to make products that work on many devices. They’re going to have to have “two workflows” … one for Apple devices and one for others.”
– Actually most developers are consentrating on the iOS. There really are no others with an equal to the iTunes App Store!
what is open content….
Earlier today, John Gruber pointed to a tweet from Michael Gartenberg: “If I were Adobe, I’d not respond to Apple, there’s no need. I’d especially make sure Lee Brimelow didn’t respond either.”
Gruber’s commentary: “Good advice, but it’ll be more fun if Adobe doesn’t take it.”
Evidently, Adobe has decided to go the “more fun” route – now all we need is Brimelow to chime in!
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