“After a big public announcement of the sort Apple had this week for the iPad CEO Steve Jobs often takes time in the day or two afterwards to have a Town Hall at One Infinite Loop, making himself available for questions from employees bold enough to stand up and take one right between the eyes,” John C. Abell reports for Wired.
“This time, the big topics included Google and Adobe,” Abell reports. “Jobs, characteristically, did not mince words as he spoke to the assembled, according to a person who was there who could not be named because this person is not authorized by Apple to speak with the press.”
• On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars.
• About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Note: As is often the case with these type of reports, the details of exactly what was said are disputed. Case in point:
John Gruber reports, “A little birdie emailed to say that while the gist is right, the Wired transcript is clearly paraphrased: ‘He actually said ‘teams at Google want to kill us.’ He never said it in a way that made it sound like the whole company did. Mostly just the Android team.’ Another little birdie in attendance tells me, ‘The quote was actually, ‘Don’t be evil is a load of crap,” and that Jobs was nostalgic about the kick-ass Adobe of old.”
Full article here.
Arnold Kim reports for MacRumors on other things Jobs’ discussed:
• Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won’t be able to keep up with; next iPhone coming is an A+ update
• iPad is up there with the iPhone and Mac as the most important products Jobs has been a part of
• New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level
More details in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Note: Not discussed at the meeting, but we’ve been hearing that the multitasking capabilities of iPhone OS (used by iPhone, iPod touch and iPad) will be “expanded” with the release of 4.0. (Multitasking, of course, has always been present in iPhone OS for select Apple apps). The iPhone OS 4.0 release date is unknown, but it’s suspected to be available to the public by June and rumored to support iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch 2G, and, of course, iPad.
MacDailyNews Take: “Why does Google hate Apple product users? Because in the absence of any new ideas, Google’s stooped to tapping an old one: Copy Apple until the cows come home (moo) and attempt to become the next Microsoft. Google hates users of Apple products because Apple product users can clearly see that Google’s rushed, never-quite-finished knockoffs, just like Microsoft’s, are inferior to products they’ve had in their hands for years, not to mention that users of Apple products understand that Google’s ‘don’t be evil’ mantra is meaningless PR bullshit.” – MacDailyNews Take, December 01, 2009
With regards to a webcam, right now it would probably bring any cellphone’s network to its knees. A year or so from now; very possible. Also, I saw a patent from Apple a few months ago where camera tech was incorporated into the screen itself as layer.
The Apple ad from 1997 continues to be at the core of Steve Jobs’ philosophy…
“Here’s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square holes. The ones who see things differently. They’re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can’t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do.”
It’s not just Microsoft and Adobe getting lazy, but it’s all of America. We have completely lost any scientific or technological edge; our kids are some of the world’s dumbest. Perhaps worst of all, we’re too lazy to even care.
Apple is the last great research and technology company for consumer products, and our brilliant nation continues to demean them for reaching beyond outdated policies and “standards”. We have clearly moved from being the home of the free and brave to being one of whiners and bitchers.
Wave the flag and beat your chest all you want, but it isn’t getting our outsourced jobs back.
You can be one of the social lemmings…
…or not.
One of the major differences between Apple and M$: Apple doesn’t open up product announcements to retarded input about features and actually thinks its features through. Then it introduces a finished product. M$ gives you an FM tuner in its portable media players.
The camera is a case in point. With a phone, it’s a handy on-the-go device; with a desktop or laptop, it’s ideal for stationary video chatting. Why would you include a camera on a device for which you’d have to hold it parallel to your face to make it useful?
This isn’t a case of “drinking the kool-aid” and thinking that anything SJ omits from a product is the will of God and automatically a great idea: this is common fscking sense.
If you think the iPad is flawed because it needs a video camera, you don’t get it. You should probably look into a Zune HD.
<<MacMan
Didn’t anyone have the guts to ask Steve why there is no webcam on the iPad? That would have been MY first question…>>
Do you think Steve would have gotten a no-contract $30 unlimited, or $15 unlimited deal with AT&T;if he had allowed video chat capability on the iPad?
VoiP already competes with cellphones, but that is a battle that has already been lost by carriers. Video chat hasn’t, so, expect small steps to continue to be taken in turning wireless carriers into dumb pipes. You can’t expect it all in one go.
Adobe *is* lazy. They can do so much better then they have been.
One thing I have to say, though, is that Adobe isn’t Anti-Mac like a lot of you people think. There isn’t a “Mac Shop” like Microsoft has – everyone uses Macs all over the company. Most of the developers I know run MBPs because they can run all the software they like on them for both platforms, just like we did in Tech Support.
There isn’t a bias toward the Mac, there’s a bias toward change.
Adobe is pretty much acting like any monopoly; they figure they’ve got the market sewn up, and when they do have competition they buy it up and either kill it or change it beyond all recognition. I’ve been hoping that Apple might develop an “Aperture Lite” to fill in the gap between adjustments that could be done in iPhoto and the heavy-duty action of Aperture.
(And this post would be a heck of a lot easier to make from an iPad instead of an iPhone!)
The cabal against Apple is led by Linux. Linux hates Apple and Google loves Linux. I’m sure Jobs is aware of this.
Linus Torvalds produces a decent kernel and thinks the world should align behind it, without any real vision other than a anarchistic free-for-all.
The Linux community is envious that they don’t have as charismatic a leader like Steve Jobs. If they did, it would be Castro or Stalin.
@ChrissyOne
I agree. Adobe makes a lot of there revenu from there Mac side of business, why would they be anti-Mac?
Now as far as development goes, they have not delivered in the way they had in the past. Ever since the merger with Micromedia, I think they lost some of there focus.
Dreamweaver is not as good as it could be. A lot of GoLive ideas where good and should be implemented within Dreamweaver. The same thing can be said about LiveMotion and Flash.
Fireworks was released in a premature state of alpha bugginess. They patched it to get some stability, but a lot more work needs to be done to bring up it’s quality.
The Flash player for the Mac must be rewritten. It is the most unstable part of using a Mac today. It is the only cause of Mac freeze-ups that I have experienced. Sure, programs crash on occasion, but never bring the whole houes down like I have seen Flash do.
Now to be fair, Microsoft has kept with legacy code for ever, so it is only natural that dual platform developers have had a more stable coding environment giving the perception of having better written applications. But now, Apple has settled also and all transitional elements have been concluded. Now we will start to see the benefit that all these changes have brought forth.
Did anyone ask him why I can’t listen to Pandora while surfing the Web on the iPad? Did they?
@ Mac-nugget
They’re just too bogged down with the bean-counting. It’s all about costs savings and letting good people go. There are a lot of great folks around who still care about the products, but it’s hard to get anywhere with that attitude.
@ A. Turing. Bravo, and well spoken. I’m glad that there are a few thinkers out there.
I used to be an Adobe fanboy myself, but with the elimination of FrameMaker, and the poor implementation of Mac features on the things they do have, I’ve soured on them. I use them now because I pretty much have to, but never talk about them to anyone else or encourage anyone to buy their stuff.
I think “lazy” is a pretty good description of their product releases. They need to have a fire lit under them, or most likely, get rid of the bean counters and get someone with vision running things.
–Ron
Linux could use a leader like Jobs. But, they’re not jealous.
The Linux community is addicted to the chaos.
Google can love Linux, at their own peril.
Anyone who has waited for a PhotoShop update,
and waited, and waited,
only to find what you were waiting for, native PowerPC support, Coca, 64-bit, or any number of features available in other programs for years, won’t be included in the Mac version till the NEXT paid update,
understands just how lazy Adobe can be.
I got ticked at Adobe when they made “fill out then print, but can’t save” the default action in a PDF form. If I could, I’d smack the idiot silly who first thought that one up.
There is no other option than Apple buys Adobe and kick out the shitheads. Would be the best buy of the century.
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Oh yeah: and kills the Windows-division
@ A Turing
You’re wrong. “Our kids are some of the world’s dumbest” isn’t true. Our kids are as smart as any other country’s. The problem is that our kids are uneducated. And the critical issue is that too many parents don’t care or *want* it that way.
“Lazy”?
This is pretty typical of businesses when they have little or no competition. We study this, we know this, the question is why don’t these companies continue to fall into the same old trap?
It was once said, “they are to busy counting the money”.
I still use Adobe products every day and have done amazing things with them but sense the purchase of a certain company, I’m not sure there is a reason to keep pushing. For those Adobe employees out there, come on girls/guys, give us something great!
Poor Adobe, where is the love???
For my part, I like InDesign, Photoshop, Illustrator very much. Couldn’t care less about the other Adobe apps. They perform well on my Mac Pro. No routine crashes or other problems to speak of. My only gripe is that they sometimes bog down, and up comes the beach ball cursor. My only other advice is that you need at least 2 widescreen displays due to Adobe’s palette attack; but this I have, and it works well.
I’ve tried about every popular alternative that there is (Quark, Pixelmator, boatloads of vector apps, open source apps), but the options are so wimpy that, even though they are cheaper or sometimes free, it’s not worth it and so I go back to using Adobe. Someone please make a compelling alternative, and you will be in business.
I’m just dreaming of using Lightroom on a big (20″+) touch panel. It could be brilliant if they do it right. I’m tired of working on my photos on a typewriter.
@Military Police
“Someone please make a compelling alternative, and you will be in business.”
Wel, there was Macromedia.
But we all know what happened to them.
I would dearly love to see someone new come in with some worthwhile products to compete against Adobe. I always liked FreeHand better than Illustrator and still miss it.
Dreamweaver & Flash were better under Macromedia too imho.
I thing ChrissyOne assessment is spot on. The are no longer concerned with the delivery of the best products. The bean counters have taken charge and we all know what happens when the creative people are undermined by the sales people. I also think that there is simply no competition in any serious way. Illustrator, Photoshop and to en extent InDesign have not real competition. They are the only game in town.
“multitasking capabilities of iPhone OS (used by iPhone, iPod touch and iPad) will be “expanded” with the release of 4.0.”
Maybe R2 can finally listen to Pandora and watching pwrn at the same time.
Pagemaker was great. That’s what I learned on and it was easy to pick up.
@ A. Turing All I can say is amen, having worked in public schools for 4 years, this country is in such deep shit–not even counting Obama’s shit hole he’s digging for the country,we have maybe 15-20 years left at the most