“After a big public announcement of the sort Apple had this week for the iPad CEO Steve Jobs often takes time in the day or two afterwards to have a Town Hall at One Infinite Loop, making himself available for questions from employees bold enough to stand up and take one right between the eyes,” John C. Abell reports for Wired.
“This time, the big topics included Google and Adobe,” Abell reports. “Jobs, characteristically, did not mince words as he spoke to the assembled, according to a person who was there who could not be named because this person is not authorized by Apple to speak with the press.”
• On Google: We did not enter the search business, Jobs said. They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: “It’s bullshit.” Audience roars.
• About Adobe: They are lazy, Jobs says. They have all this potential to do interesting things but they just refuse to do it. They don’t do anything with the approaches that Apple is taking, like Carbon. Apple does not support Flash because it is so buggy, he says. Whenever a Mac crashes more often than not it’s because of Flash. No one will be using Flash, he says. The world is moving to HTML5.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Note: As is often the case with these type of reports, the details of exactly what was said are disputed. Case in point:
John Gruber reports, “A little birdie emailed to say that while the gist is right, the Wired transcript is clearly paraphrased: ‘He actually said ‘teams at Google want to kill us.’ He never said it in a way that made it sound like the whole company did. Mostly just the Android team.’ Another little birdie in attendance tells me, ‘The quote was actually, ‘Don’t be evil is a load of crap,” and that Jobs was nostalgic about the kick-ass Adobe of old.”
Full article here.
Arnold Kim reports for MacRumors on other things Jobs’ discussed:
• Apple will deliver aggressive updates to iPhone that Android/Google won’t be able to keep up with; next iPhone coming is an A+ update
• iPad is up there with the iPhone and Mac as the most important products Jobs has been a part of
• New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level
More details in the full article here.
MacDailyNews Note: Not discussed at the meeting, but we’ve been hearing that the multitasking capabilities of iPhone OS (used by iPhone, iPod touch and iPad) will be “expanded” with the release of 4.0. (Multitasking, of course, has always been present in iPhone OS for select Apple apps). The iPhone OS 4.0 release date is unknown, but it’s suspected to be available to the public by June and rumored to support iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPod touch 2G, and, of course, iPad.
MacDailyNews Take: “Why does Google hate Apple product users? Because in the absence of any new ideas, Google’s stooped to tapping an old one: Copy Apple until the cows come home (moo) and attempt to become the next Microsoft. Google hates users of Apple products because Apple product users can clearly see that Google’s rushed, never-quite-finished knockoffs, just like Microsoft’s, are inferior to products they’ve had in their hands for years, not to mention that users of Apple products understand that Google’s ‘don’t be evil’ mantra is meaningless PR bullshit.” – MacDailyNews Take, December 01, 2009
Yeeeeeeessssssssss.
I’m not alone.
And when Steve has you in his sight Eric, you are toassssssssssst
I’m ready for a new phone in May… can’t wait.
adobe sucks
elements 6 is the biggest pile of junk i’ve ever used
Adobe has been dragging its feet since Apple moved to the PowerPC. No Cocoa version of Photoshop. No 64-bit version of Photoshop for Mac like there is for Windows. Ugly resource-hogging AIR apps instead of native.
And Flash is an abomination. Videos and games and ads were one thing. But encouraging web developers have Flash take over the basic functions of entire websites (menus, buttons) was just plain disgusting.
Apple and Adobe practically owe their very existence to each other back in the day. It’s really a shame to see the relationship deteriorate so badly.
Didn’t anyone have the guts to ask Steve why there is no webcam on the iPad? That would have been MY first question…
I confirm the little birdie is accurate.
Adobe is dishonestly and blatantly in denial. Any Mac user their tech support with issues or complaints about Flash will be lied to while Adobe’s arrogant tech support specialists (hah) pretend that they are not aware of any Flash problems, accuse Apple’s OS updates for the problems and/or waste you time on hold for ages only to return (if they do) and promise to get back after looking into your problem further.
This a routine practices daily by Adobe over the last two years at least and I know of at least 6 long time registered Adobe users who have had bad experiences of this sort.
Adobe has become nasty and arrogant to us Mac users to which they owe their entrenchment to.
MacMan:
That’s because you’re not really thinking
I would love to see a webcam in the ipad, but where would it go? The top? The side? And if you put one front-facing but not outward-facing, what kind of crap would people be giving Apple then? You would have to put 4 cameras to make everyone happy. I think Apple feels confident they can get away with not pleasing everyone and still being profitable and successful.
@ MacMan,
Did you ever consider the idea that people really do not want to see your face? Just a thought.
By the way, what’s your opinion of glossy screens?
I hate adobe, I don’t use their products anymore. They have the worse customer service. it’s true what jobs said ” they are lazy” . they just want to make money. I can live without adobe products and I’m a photographers. Apple needs to release Aperture 3 please
Sometimes MDN’s predictive takes scare me because they’re almost ALWAYS right… and way before anyone else ever says it.
Webcam??
Don’t you already have one in your iPhone, iMac, or whatever?
Why do you think the guy was kicked out of Apple board? Google insider at Apple are being purged out. Yeah you can guess what they were doing at Apple while pretending to be such a good friend and partner to go against MS. Too bad Jobs didn’t see that coming fast enough to kick them out earlier.
“Don’t be evil” is a good mantra when recruiting idealistic graduates.
How do you say that in Chinese?
Adobe has been… for a long time. They bought the POS PageMaker and eventually realized they had to dump it where is was living for a long time, the trash and had to start all over with InDesign which is just as lame as PukeMaker was…
Webcam ?
For the 10000000th time….
It doesn’t work on your lap.
No flash? No problem. I just bypass those websites that are flash only. Their loss.
Adobe is like M$. They own large pieces of a market and don’t have to try hard to keep it.
The same thing happened in the 80s with Apple and look what happened then. It took a second coming to get them out of the doldrums.
Sooner or later Apple will lose their lead in the MP3 player. However they have found a useful avenue in the mobile business to keep the innovation going. The iPhone has several years of rapid growth ahead of it. The iPad could also open up new areas for growth.
I’m waiting for the Apple video phone. Not too sure if this will be in the same format as cell phone or will they take another leap like watch phone, built into glasses…
WHY GOOGLE IS IN THE PHONE BUSINESS:
As I understand it, Google makes the vast majority of its money on ads. Mobile is the new horizon and definitely the future. Apps, especially, since they have the potential to take the place of websites. For many, that potential is already realized.
Therefore search is in danger. Not full scale. Not now. But a company has to look 5 – 10 years out and anticipate. Google is anticipating that their search business is in danger.
And their search business will be in danger when people start searching for apps instead of sites. And when they start using specialized apps for specialized searches instead of general search.
They realized that the platform is the threat. iPhone is the future. iPhone is operated by Apple. So 1) Their search business is under threat by Apple’s app store; and 2) Their regular search business is in serious danger of being completely subject to the whims of another company. If Apple decided no Google on iPhones Google would be toast in a future-sense. Because iPhone is the future.
So as much as Google loves and believes in Apple, they have to take steps to protect their business. They believe in what they are doing and want it to continue and to succeed.
Google has no choice but to try and keep a foot in both camps.
On the Apple Side they will work as hard as possible to be nice and to seep into as many niches on the iPhone as possible. They will work as hard as possible to become an essential part of people’s iPhone experience. Think “Google Voice Search App” in this sense. A way easier way to search.
On the Non-Apple Side they will work as hard as possible to create a competing Mobile OS that they control. And they will work as hard as possible to make that mobile OS so amazing that it will become essential to people.
Keep in mind, this isn’t Junior High School. No one is anyone elses BFF (Best Friend Forever). This is business. Google is doing exactly what they must. This resistance is necessary for them, whether or not it is futile.
When you use the iPad in a most intuitive way (sitting back in an armchair, with the device in your hands like a magazine), webcam makes no sense, as it would be seeing your nostrils , some forehead and a lot of the wall behind you. Even if they tilted the angle lower, you’d still have very poor viewing angle on it, unless you hold it up in front of you (gorilla arm), or prop it up on a table/desk. This quickly eliminates majority of potential users. Apple simply doesn’t do half-assed. MacBooks (pro) have iSight in the display, so that when you do your iChat (or Skype), the other person will see you looking DIRECTLY at them, which makes it normal and natural. If anyone remembers, 6 years ago, when Apple introduced iSight FireWire web-cam, it was designed to sit on top of a monitor; not on the desk, to the side. And the direct viewing was the main reason (Steve himself explained it in the keynote). They won’t put a webcam just so that there’s a webcam, if the videoconferencing experience can’t be proper.
That said, if by next year too many people end up clamoring for a webcam on this device, Apple just may consider figuring out a way how to make webcam a reasonable experience on it.
@Ubermac,
I’d argue InDesign is a bigger POS than PageMaker
Yes I am a Mac fanboy.
But Adobe has been slowly declining over the past 5 years.
This is sad. I use to be an Adobe fanboy too.
God how I hated/loved Quark. Then I switch over to InDesign.
Adobe use to be pro-mac. Then they changed.
I hope Adobe rediscovers their roots and wakes up.
Apple need to launch a search engine.
We need some alternative to google.com. Frankly, i am just getting worried how much very personal information google has on me through search engine, gmail, etc. The only reason why i am still using google because it is better than other search alternatives. The moment Apple will introduce search, I am gone!