Does not seem possible, since all you can do is pre order right now

He’s right you know. Can the iPhone fully support Exchange? You know, sync email, calendar, notes… all that stuff? It can’t so as much as you hate it, Ballmer is right. I don’t like him that much, but he does make some sense here.

Ballmer proves that it’s possible for his own breath to smell like his own ass.

I think it is possible, but maybe not quite likely. In any case, a lot will be sold. But will we even be told how many sell? Apple reports the number of “iPods” sold each quarter without further detail or breakdown by model. As with the iPhone, will they report the iPod Touch separately? I thing they might, as it will be a runaway best seller, and good news is nice to report.

Consumers are getting smarter about buying products that not only look elegant, but actually perform as advertised. Apple fills that “niche”.

Is that redundant?

Any educated person knows that Jobs and Gore are all about moving LIBERAL amounts of product.

It took Apple 2 years to sell it’s first million iPods. I believe this was before they released their iTunes for Windows. Things were Mac only unlike with the iPhone.

What the f*ck was that load of nonsense? Apart from the fact it was semi-literate, poorly written, so badly spelt as to be embarrassing, it was flat out wrong.

Point 1. Assumption. And wrong at that. Who are ‘most’ that you talk about? Personal experience isn’t the same as real statistics.

Point 2. This has been refuted so many times here and on RoughlyDrafted.

Point 3. You obviously have no clue about marketing Apple-style, nor know anything about brand positioning.

Point 4. What?? The Chinese knock-off is unsellable anywhere outside of China except as contraband.

Point 5. No idea what this clown is talking about here.

The iPod touch and iPhone’s screen is too small? You’re joking, right?

And what the h*ll has Steve Job’s eyesight got to do with anything?

The most embarrassing thing about this post is this person could quite easily be driving a car somewhere, or operating dangerous machinery, or – as is more likely – making your burger in McD’s. Breathtaking lack of command of the language and knowledge of the subject. Shockingly ignorant.

That’s right 5 million or more in the U.S. and 5 million or more in the rest of the world. Sounds like Apple is on track to meet or exceed.

And folks… it’s 10 million units IN calendar year 2008. 2007 is just the warm-up lap.

European and world sales.

I do hope, once the American press reports how happy Europeans are with their 3G, unlocked iPhones, that the American carriers will start coming under pressure to treat us less abusively. It’s not only a humiliation and an embarrassment to have such a substandard data infrastructure as we near the end of the decade, but it amounts to a whopping national economic disadvantage.

I only wish the upcoming spectrum auction were going to take place under a Democratic president, and not with the current short-sighted, bought-and-paid-for, telecommunications-lobbyist-friendly FCC. It seems like our last chance to have any real hope of catching up to the rest of the world over the next decade or so.

Having said that, let’s please not take this thread political, if possible.

… ahhh the much talked about smarter-than-the-average-person Mac owner.

Now, Apple will launch the iphone in Europe in november which means that they are gonna sell shit loads!

10 million in the 1st year?

NO WAY! – more like 20 million!

On the other hand, the sales rate will almost certainly pick up with (1) the huge price drop, (2) Christmas, and (3) the caving-in of all the people, like me, who knew only one thing, and knew it full well: that we were going to WAIT a little, and not get the Revision A iPhone, at the highest prices.

Despite my self-discipline, I’ll be getting one sometime after seeing what accouncements Macworld ’08 brings, and I’m probably not alone.

1,000% chance of raining chairs in Redmond.

MDN Word: Thinking. As in what was I thinking when the I said the iPhone won’t sell- S. Ballmer

This is assuming Apple only has a 1 model $399 price point line-up. As Apple is sure to add another, nano-like iPhone to the market, watch these numbers nearly double.

I think AAPL has done a real smart thing with the Touch: release a product worldwide that is kinda, sorta like the iPhone…just to satisfy everyone who is patiently waiting for an iPhone in their respective countries. You know, something to tide you over till the iPhone arrives. It’s a given that the Touch will sell like hotcakes.

Steve, you wanna put the iPhone into the hands of even more customers?? Make it available in more countries round the world! How ’bout starting with your friendly neighbours to the north?! So close…yet so far….!!

Medelegant, I fear that what you heard is true. However, the powerful counter-argument is that the only way to actually increase market share over competitors is to poach customers from said competitors. iPhone has a proven track record of poaching 25% of its customers from others, and we are not yet counting those who are waiting for there contracts/phones to run out before switching. Personally, I won’t move from my current provider (Bell) until there is a good reason. The iPhone is a very good reason.

Further, I sort of hope that Apple stands up for what is right in this. Personally, I don’t use data, ’cause it’s too frickin’ expensive! Not much money to be made off me as long as things stay status quo.

I these points make sense to Ted.

It always boggles my mind how people, when questioning the validity of the 10m by 2008 estimate, never consider global sales, the 2nd Generation iPhone, an expansion of the lineup and even further price drops of the current model.

Apple selling 1 million in 74 days is impressive and on track for 10 million by end of 2008 will put them in an impressive position as far as marketshare, ahead of the less than 17% MS has

As of Oct 2006
-Windows Mobile market share in smartphone market falls from 18 to 16.9 percent It was 18% last year in Q3, but this year in Q3 it has fallen from 18 % to 16.9 %. The main reason: market share of Symbian increased.

As of 30 June 2007:

18.7 million Symbian smartphones shipped by licensees in Q2 2007, up 52% from Q2 2006 (12.3 million)

Speaking of niche in your tense, means MS is a very small niche player in this market.

One word Symbian.

It doesn’t have enough memory/storage.

As soon as it has 30GB or more, able to run a office type applications and act like a storage device between computers, that you’ll see a INCREDIBLE INCREASE IN SALES.

However since Apple debuted the iPod Touch, it seems they are planning a exit stragedy OUT OF THE CELL PHONE MARKET.

I think Apple will do much better getting out of this cell phone market and instead using a seperate device connected to the iPod Touch to receive internet via phone lines.

This is the reasons:

1: Cell market is incredibly cut-throat, a few phones given away for free for contracts. Most of all customers to cell phone stores buy the cheapest phones. Most only want a cheap, low cost phone that if they lose it or break it, it’s no big deal to get another.

2: Apple sells PREMIUM devices which fall into the catagory of “Smartphones” which the iPhone is only a small portion of a small portion of the total cell phone market.

3: In order for Apple to REALLY get into the cell market they would have to produce a REALLY CHEAP ASS PHONE, with better bells and whistles than the competition. How can Apple do that and make decent margins is uncertain, as they use the same cheap labor as the competition.

4: Even if Apple came out with a cheap ass phone with more features than the competition, the others would copy and improve on it’s features virtually overnight! (aka Chinese iPhone)

5: The cell phone market is filled with smart competitors, because miniturizing electronics is a difficult task. Apple gained the upper hand in the portable Mp3 player market because the competition was rather lame and a lot of the smart competition saw Satalight radio and monthly fee’s was the future of music. Plus Apple was able to convince the Labels to try a experiment with the iPod and given Mac’s low market share they didn’t realize Steve was going to jump ship to the Windows platform to sell iPods. Nobody expected that move because of Apple’s history. However Apple isn’t going to be able to fool anyone with that trick ever again.

So I think Apple will give this cell phone thing a try, expect a 16GB iPhone come January MacWorld, or afterwards depending on the holiday sales volume with the new price point.

I didn’t think Apple was going to enter the cell phone market, because of the intense competition and monopoly on medicore sales at carrier stores, but they did. Perhaps a few million iPhone sales is good enough for them to make a profit, but I don’t think they are going to last or gain sigificant market share.

I simply love my cheap, slim phone with long battery life. I don’t even know it’s in my pocket, but it’s there if I need it.

The iPod Touch and iPhone’s screen is just too small.

Did anyone notice that Steve Jobs is NearSighted?

That’s right, he can’t see far away, when he uses the iPod Touch he takes his glasses off.

I read that Apple went on sale with 300k in stock, and production of 150k per month

“the original high prices kept the sales down to a point where manufacturing could keep up with them, “

With the iPod Touch using many of the same/type of parts, what is the production per month of the 2 combined??

I heard they are gearing up to 1.5 million per month? does anyone have firm info??

You explain what you have compared (projected iPhone 2007Q3 to reported smart phone worldwide 2006Q4); why this kind of slightly unorthodox comparison (because these were the best numbers available); and what can and cannot be concluded.

I appreciate a lot knowing what I am reading.

HUH!?!

You have some very odd views. And you need to look up the meaning of the word niche.

Oh…and one more thing: it’s not “allot”, it’s “a lot”.

Only Apple gets this kind of bizzaro-world press. If Apple doubles their market share the company is REALLY going to be in trouble!!!

>.<

actually, I think the iPod might actually help accelerate iPhone sales, especially outside of the US. Take Germany for example: In Germany, as in the rest of Europe, SIM locking is illegal, but the iPhone will be sold exclusively, apparently, through T-Mobile. I believe that when people realize that for only €100 more than the touch they can get the iPhone, they will choose the iPhone and continue to use their current mobile provider. If the iPhone sold through t-Mobile is indeed unlocked, I will get the 8 gig model and continue to use Vodafone as my provider.

1m in the first quarter to end Sept 07 was added after all the broo-haa about the first weekends sales when Apple announced its final quarter sales to end June 07 which included the last two days of June iPhone sales.

MDN word: herself.

And thank you for changing the world on cellular communication.

The future belongs to Apple!!!!

In Mexico, we aren’t even on the horizon , we do not even have an iTunes store, as soon as they can start doing remote unlocks, I am getting 3, for me and my 2 girls in University in the States, we will get the smallest ATT family plan, and I will use a TelMex simm while in Mexico.

and its just not me, there is alot of talk here about iPhones being unlocked

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iPhone ROCK!!!!!!!!!

also without a large unknown of holiday spending.

is an iPhone a holiday ticket item? how much will a price cut help? is an iPhone a big gift item? a gift to self item?

the other question is acceleration. is it like the iPod in that the more they are seen the more they are accepted and the more the sales rise?

there are a lot of unknowns here, and Apple would prefer to under predict. i think that is why we see a 10 million figure. i wouldn’t be surprised to see them double it if all goes well and the increased production drops the price again.

the real big item for the holidays though i think is going to be the new nano. video on an incredible screen for under 200? if they make ANY profit on them, they are going to be printing money with those things…..