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PC Magazine: Mac OS X Panther plus 64-bit Power Mac G5 equals ‘combination even PC zealots can’t hel

Friday, January 23, 2004 · 4:36 pm · 26 Comments

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Atomic Bomb

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 5:59 pm · Reply

“PC Zealots” What a hoot. MDN is right on this one.
ndelc

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:08 pm · Reply

I’ve come across many people who like PCs better than Macs but the interesting this, none of them love their PC.
yep

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:11 pm · Reply

Pretty good article, actually. For Ziff.
ndelc

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:12 pm · Reply

Oops. I mean to say “the interesting thing is…”
Eric

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:16 pm · Reply

You have never run into PC Zealots? Go to MacCentral and hang out in the forums. There’s a lot of them. I’ve dealth with them. Seen them banned from Mac sites (three or four form MacCentral in my memory).

Ever hear of Monkeyboy? (i.e. Steve Ballmer.)

Yeah, PC Zealots. They do exist.
G Spank

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:32 pm · Reply

yeah, I’ve met plenty of PC Zealots. The funny thing about them is that they absolutely HATE the Mac, but hardly any of them have ever USED one.
R.V.

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:38 pm · Reply

“I’ve come across many people who like PCs better than Macs but the interesting this, none of them love their PC.”

And 99% of them have never even used a Mac. ;o)

Takes real skill (severe sarcasm) to divine the winner when you have only actually used one of the two systems.
Sailfish

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 6:57 pm · Reply

Mac’s are such a superior platform, I have a PC person as a friend and when they see a Mac, they say “I want one!”

Only problem is that they are incediably cheap, they rather suffer with a used slow PC running Windoze and deal with all the problems than buying a $600 used eMac and being happy.

They say it’s just good enough, but they can’t take their eyes off my 23″ Cinema and G5.

Sailfish

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yep

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 7:00 pm · Reply

Rothenberg says “even PC zealots can’t help but admire (G5 performance)” – he’s not saying the world is loaded with PC zealots. The article is interesting, thought-provoking and realistic. Sometimes MDN seems to comb an article for one word or phrase to jump on like a drunken frat house football game, ignoring the fact that the writer is paying Macs lots of attention and is possibly on the verge of emerging from the dark side….

Actually, it IS time for a brew!
Nagromme

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 7:05 pm · Reply

Sure, there are PC zealots, trolls, etc… but nobody “loves” their PC the way many people love the Mac. The Windows experience just doesn’t generate that. And thus the jealousy

Should the term be “PC jealots?”
KennyLucius

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 7:10 pm · Reply

There are no PC zealots, there are only anti-Mac zealots. All those who hate the Mac because it’s too pretty or too easy or too expensive…they don’t love their PCs. They just hate something about the Mac.

Only IT personnel love PCs, because everybody loves job security.
use to crap hardware

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 7:17 pm · Reply

so true, best software and best hardware now if they can just do something about the consumer line they could regain all that market they lost with the last 5 years with motostagnation and poor hardware.
Keo

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 8:23 pm · Reply

Actually, it isn’t the Mac that “they” dislike, it’s the “Mac zealots”. Because there is good in both worlds, with the Mac world the undisputed top for software, and the PC world the king of hardware versatility.

Last year, I was seriously considering the switch to a Mac, which well… I didn’t in the end because:

1) After months talking with Mac users, their ignorant attitude of the Mac being the greatest is EVERYTHING just puts me off.

But more importantly, 2) I use my computer as my entertainment hub, and the iMacs just don’t cut for sound. The PowerMacs are great! but a little too expensive for a home-user like me.

Oh well, anyway, just before the Mac-Zealots on this site start flaming me (again), I’m currently saving for a Mac, which should take about another year and a half to afford that 17″ iMac. *grin*
finelinebob

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 8:49 pm · Reply

Does MDN really have that short of a memory? No PC Zealots? What about your December opinion piece:

http://www.macdailynews.com/opinion_comments.php?id=P1978_0_2_0_C
donnie

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 10:31 pm · Reply

there ARE peecee zealots out there. I’m constantly havin’ to put my foot in their a$$ during OS debates…

but you know what they say. no matter how much you argue over the internet, you’re still retarded. heehee.
Nagromme

Friday, January 23, 2004 - 11:53 pm · Reply

There are clearly both kinds: people who badmouth Mac users (and NO camp is free of idiotic name-calling) and also people who badmouth Macs as a platform.

Me feeling is that LIKING a platform which serves you well makes sense. HATING a platform does not–unless you are forced to use it, as many of us are with Windows.

Thus, loving Macs is fundamentally more rational that hating them.

Loving Windows might be rational in theory too, but I’ve never seen it happen
Sol

Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 1:36 am · Reply

The main point of the article, and one that seems to have gone over MDN’s head, is that the Macs of today have little in common with the Macs of yesterday. Every day MDN seems more childish in the way they attack every article that mentions Apple. Sometimes you have to stop focussing on the details and look at the overall picture. Picking out words like “zealots” and focusing on that is a pretty stupid way to criticise an article.
Nagromme

Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 2:06 am · Reply

Why do you think MDN is criticizing the whole article? They add their comments on certain points in certain articles. What’s wrong with that? There’s no need for them to post an “overall review” of each article. You are assuming something that’s not there.

When they have a comment that’s on the entire article, they make that pretty clear.
Sol

Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 2:23 am · Reply

Well, MDN’s comments at the end of the quote seem to have set the tone for the discussion of this page’s forum. The MDN team seem intent on spotting the least relevant part of the article and making an issue out of it. I for one read the linked article and got a lot more out of it than: PC zealots are rare because everyone hates Windows.
Nobody

Saturday, January 24, 2004 - 2:58 am · Reply

Maybe you can add Kollar-Kotelly to the list of PC zealot.

From AP via NY Times “Microsoft Judge Says Clause Not Working” [You need to register to read the whole article]
“The trial judge in the Microsoft Corp. antitrust case acknowledged Friday one important provision in the settlement she approved isn’t working as well as expected, but she defended the agreement as otherwise effective.”

Or go to Yahoo!

What kind of logic is that? Add to the fact that MS is repeating the tactic used against Netscape again, forcing people to use WMP.