“Apple’s new Power Mac G5 may be the fastest Macintosh around, but it doesn’t work as well as its predecessors with Microsoft Windows software. Apple Computer’s new Power Mac G5 may be the fastest Macintosh around, but it is less able than its predecessors to run Microsoft Windows software,” reports Ina Fried for CNET.
“That’s because Virtual PC, the leading emulation program for running Windows on a Mac, doesn’t support the G5. Microsoft, which acquired Virtual PC from Connectix in February, said a fix for the problem is not around the corner. ‘It will be in the next (full) version of Virtual PC,’ a Microsoft representative said Wednesday, adding that a new edition of Virtual PC is expected within a year. In addition, the representative said the release is due at about the same time as the launch of Office 11, the next version of Office for the Mac. Earlier this month, Microsoft said it was working on Office 11 but would not comment on when it might be ready,” Fried reports.
Fried writes, “Although it is not clear how many Mac owners actually run Virtual PC, it has long been used by Apple as part of its case that the Mac can work well in a world dominated by Windows-based PCs. On its current Web page listing of top myths about the Mac, the company notes that 15,000 programs run on the Mac but adds that ‘if you do encounter that rare program which isn’t available for the Mac, you can still run it using Virtual PC.’ It has also made reference to Virtual PC in its ‘Switch’ advertising campaign, designed to woo Windows users to the Mac.”
“Microsoft said it learned of the problem with Virtual PC and the G5 when it got its first test machine ‘a couple months ago.’ The company, based in Redmond, Wash., said it has no plans to release an interim G5-compatible update to Virtual PC before the next version comes out,” Fried writes.
Full article here.
MacDailyNews Take: That first paragraph is a doozy! This article is more of the same Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt (FUD) from the mainstream “tech” media that derives the bulk of its revenues from the Wintel hegemony.
WOW! They have known for months about this problem and have done nothing so far.
Yep.
Blame Apple and the G5 for their shortcomings.
Brilliant marketing!
P.S. Mac users should have learned by now that anything you read on CNET regarding the Mac must be viewed with the highest degree of suspicion. They serve their masters well.
Ummm, since when do Apple computers revolve around M$ software? have they forgotten that Apple has it’s own OS?!?!
And come on, the one statement about macs not working as well as pc’s with Microcrap Winblows is priceless. Without a doubt, OS X blows XP out of the water.
The problem, as I understand it, is the difference in byte-ordering between PPC and x86. VPC uses little-known CPU instructions that can handle the x86-style byte order, but the G5 doesn’t have those instructions.
Since the problem is all the way down at the CPU hardware level, it *won’t* be an easy one to fix. And even when if it is, there will be a speed penalty for converting the byte order of most data.
Sorry to say it, but this *is* a big deal. The Mac can handle 95% of what PC users need, but VPC provides that missing 5%. Sadly, that 5% is probably enough to dissuade some potential switchers.
It flat-out amazes me that Apple never bought Connectix themselves. From MODE32 to RAM Doubler to VPC, Connectix consistently proved that they could hack the Mac OS better than Apple itself. And as I describe above, VPC alone of such strategic importance. What the HELL was Jobs thinking??
and how is this a problem? I wouldn’t want to pollute my new G5 with windows, anyways. what does it run that my Mac can’t?
“Connectix consistently proved that they could hack the Mac OS better than Apple itself.”
So I guess you never actually used a Connectix product then.
VPC is a great product, but by no means universally needed. If you use it (I do) then just keep your old PC–or Mac–on hand until the app is updated.
Would it be fair to say that Connectix did some things with VPC that were technically “poor practice” but helped VPC perform better? And that now MS must deal with that?
I’m not going to jump and blame anyone–Connectix, Apple, or MS. It’s a shame–for a while–but these things happen, and then it will be fixed next year. Write to MS and ask for VPC 7. Show demand.
The number of people who insist on having ONLY a G5 and no other computer alongside it, AND who need Windows, is not that huge a number of people. G5s will sell just great on how they run REAL mac software. And then the current disappointment will be over with VPC 7.
VPC = yuck.
You can buy an Athlon system with WinXP home for about the same price.
Come on! Microsuck did this on purpose. It keeps them on ‘top.’
But I don’t need ANY windoze BS on my machine…
Connectix did nothing that any game developer does not routinely do to improve a game’s performance; practically write code right down on the bare metal. However, big and little endian issues are a well-known problem. I cannot belive that relevant people at Apple, Microsoft, and Connectix were not aware of this issue and knew the ramifications the moment the G5 first surfaced as a rumor.
This is why Connectix sold VirtualPC. They knew the G5 was coming down the pike and the jig was up. Too much effort to rewrite, so let Microsoft deal with it… or not deal with it.
I don’t see a vast difference from Apple’s iTMS strategy (RIAA test bedding assumed* strategy aside) and the VPC strategy, both are using deliberate lag to switch platforms. It’s just business.
If Apple were confident enough in the security and uptake of iTMS surely they would have pitched a Wintel option to the RIAA also. Hell, the Wintel iPods were racing out the door at that point (as they still are). Hang back a bit and let’s see how many switchers we can grab until necessary.
Steve Jack’s right IMHO. The juicebag’s at MS played a good move. MS own two key components in the ‘switch’ campaign; Office X & VPC. Apple must be aware of this vunerabilty and you can bet your bottom dollar, like Safari and Keynote, a mammoth word processing and spreadsheet app are getting developed in the deepest corridors at Cupertino.
* I’m unsure if the RIAA have publicly stated that they agreed to Apple’s iTMS arrangement because of it’s low risk.
So BFD, M$ sucks VPC sucks, good ridance to bad soft ware.
I don’t see it as that big a deal, but maybe that’s because I won’t be getting a G5 anytime soon 🙁
I don’t see it as something done on purpose though. From my understanding, the G3 and G4 were built with the hope that Windows would run on it some day, but IBM shelved that idea with the G5, and little endian capabilities were dropped which makes VirtualPC incompatible. It’s not MS’s fault because they’ve only had the software for 6 months, and perhaps they didn’t have plans to upgrade it in that short a timespan. At any rate, it’ll be available eventually. I was, however, very disappointed to hear about RealPC. I held real hopes that it would be the non-MS answer to VPC. Now apparently, there is none.
Ah, yes….CNET….the bastion of all things Mciro$oft……they wouldn’t give Macs a good review if their life depended on it….as for VPC, well, like I said before, they need time to dumb down the software so that it doesn’t work better than it could…..and, also, you need time to get those back doors installed in right……….go fig.
VPC on G5 is like driving a Formula I, but still want a Scooter emulator. To remind them how suck life before, maybe.
Apple is truly the industry leader:
Tech pundit can still talk of Apple as a niche company holding only 3% of PC sales still it is the company that get 90% of coverage on everything it does. Something wrong with this picture?!
Apple makes into the news even if one of its vice-Presidents fart on the beach.
It really shows Apple is the leader of PC industries.
Who cares (news-wise) about what they do think or do or copy or steal in RedMond?
And c’mon, “Apple G5 does *not* run VPC!!!” as if that was a blunder: Soon pundits will start cooking on the issue and “Look, they forgot to allow VPC run on the new architecture. NOW, they are toasted. Apple is slowly dying. We give them 3 more years of agony”.
— Show me a moron and I’ll bet he runs/love Windows
VPC looks like it was a dumb purchase by MS if it doesnt work with a G5!
MS only bought VPC as a way to run NT4 on Windows 2003 servers, which gets their existing userbase to shell out more cash on upgrades. With OSX, Mac users are needing VPC less and less anyway. Window’s popularity has peaked, and people are beginning to move to Linux/UNIX, where to port a program to OSX is much easier for a developer. So if this does hurt Apple, it will only in the short term.
The people at connectix sold just in time, just before ms realized the missing little endian thing in the ppc 970. Do i hear swearing in redmond? They have to rewrite the whole thing. Ha ha . Whahahahahaha. Hehe.
Although the flexibility of VPC to run many Windows versions is unmatched, so is its slowness. I switched to Timbuktu Pro and it doesn’t take a toll on my Mac’s performance nor stability. Just buy a cheap PC (or inherit one from a friend, the resale price is ridiculous anyway) and network it to your Mac and you’re set. Not sure what Netopia says about the G5.
Hmmm…isn’t it interesting that not only does VirtualPC not work on the new G5’s, but now suddenly the latest RealPC has dissolved into vaporware? Every year Wintel does its cyclical mating ritual of providing more powerful hardware followed by more fanciful versions of the apps we use and demand that we put down $1800 to revel in the next best thing. Nothings change about this process, since my days of selling pcs and macs back in the early 90’s. What if either RealPC or VirtualPC ran Windows XP and it’s apps as fast as any given midrange PC say in the 2.0 to 2.4 GHz P4 or AMD range? Imagine what that would do to the Wintel market. Even if a G5 running VirtualPC/WinXP offered performance in the 1.6 or 1.8 GHz P4 performance range, the home market and probably most of the small business market would be hard pressed to avoid the temptation to have your iCake and eating it too. Am I surprised that Microsoft now owns and controls the destiny of VirtualPC, with billions of dollars and the threat of the veil that sustains the Wintel monopoly are at risk? Not at all.
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